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Just had notification that my June flights to GRO have moved from Tuesday out ,to Wednesday and my return changed from a Thursday to a Friday.
Timing now moved to around midday rather than evening.
Have accepted changes but website not updated and no other bookings available yet.
Timing now moved to around midday rather than evening.
Have accepted changes but website not updated and no other bookings available yet.
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Historical Data
OltonPete,
I've had a request from someone wanting to know what flights were cancelled last Tuesday 12th Jan. Can you point me in the direction of where I might find this sort of info?
Regards
Phil
I've had a request from someone wanting to know what flights were cancelled last Tuesday 12th Jan. Can you point me in the direction of where I might find this sort of info?
Regards
Phil
Lo-Co changes
These changes are becoming ridiculous - it reminds me of the "old days" when tour operators published a best selling work of fiction, otherwise known as flight schedules in the back of their brochures only to change it all totally once they had the early booker's money.
Perhaps it was expecting too much to hope that since the IT market has been superceded by the allegedly "scheduled" low cost models you could book eartly with confidence that the so called scheduled service would operate as booked!
Personally I wouldn't book early, it just ain't worth the hassle.
Perhaps it was expecting too much to hope that since the IT market has been superceded by the allegedly "scheduled" low cost models you could book eartly with confidence that the so called scheduled service would operate as booked!
Personally I wouldn't book early, it just ain't worth the hassle.
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Baby/flybe/FR/snow
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Other than BHX's own records I don't know. I belong to another forum and
they post the SBS arrivals most days but they are operating flights and
canx ones are not mentioned.
All flights after 18.00 I believe were cancelled as the airport was shut but
some like LH, KL & AF just operated the first outbounds the next day rather than the Tuesdays last outbound.
Also there had been cancellations before the snow closure due to the weather abroad sothere is no way I could get a definative list unfortunately.
I had noted the operating flights for that day (the night before) but was too busy to note the cancellations.
ssflyer
Have the timings changed to a BHX based aircraft or still originating
in Girona?
Baby
Glasgow gone again from the booking enigine from the end of January
and I have already received an e-mail from flybe announcing they are
putting on extra flights from BHX.
I could not find them yet in the booking engine but if they are like FR
it could be weeks or months before things change!!!! I saw some tasty
flybe fares in fare from GLA - £171 one way plus taxes!!! It might have
been Spring Fare week assuming that it is on this year!
Pete
Other than BHX's own records I don't know. I belong to another forum and
they post the SBS arrivals most days but they are operating flights and
canx ones are not mentioned.
All flights after 18.00 I believe were cancelled as the airport was shut but
some like LH, KL & AF just operated the first outbounds the next day rather than the Tuesdays last outbound.
Also there had been cancellations before the snow closure due to the weather abroad sothere is no way I could get a definative list unfortunately.
I had noted the operating flights for that day (the night before) but was too busy to note the cancellations.
ssflyer
Have the timings changed to a BHX based aircraft or still originating
in Girona?
Baby
Glasgow gone again from the booking enigine from the end of January
and I have already received an e-mail from flybe announcing they are
putting on extra flights from BHX.
I could not find them yet in the booking engine but if they are like FR
it could be weeks or months before things change!!!! I saw some tasty
flybe fares in fare from GLA - £171 one way plus taxes!!! It might have
been Spring Fare week assuming that it is on this year!
Pete
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Some of the short haul routes between the Midlands and Scotland were bound to be cut going forward into 2010, the effect of high fuel costs, high fuel burn on short sectors with jets, goverment taxes the banking crisis on EDI loads all mean less poeople flying.
Add to which the security hassel and the inbound UK Border hall, i'd rather stay at home, walk get the train or drive than land after a PIA or EK flight and be queing for an hour with the esclators turned off for our safety!!!
This has to be the only industry in the world where customer service standards have gone backwards, so little surprise that volumes are down at most airports by 15-20%
Add to which the security hassel and the inbound UK Border hall, i'd rather stay at home, walk get the train or drive than land after a PIA or EK flight and be queing for an hour with the esclators turned off for our safety!!!
This has to be the only industry in the world where customer service standards have gone backwards, so little surprise that volumes are down at most airports by 15-20%
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I agree INKJET. Flying has certainly lost it's appeal. In the past it was exciting and different with a touch of luxury about it. Now it's just an everyday ball ache with little attraction.
As you say, I would rather drive domestic than fly. In fact ad hoc trips are now not even thought of. Maybe a package holiday in the year..The rest have gone. It's far more relaxing having a break in the UK now.....This has little to with cost in my case..
Airports are trying to stay with the appeal that the main legacy airlines want, but, are finding it difficult to afford along with the cattle shed mentality of the LoCo's.....
Something has got to give.
As you say, I would rather drive domestic than fly. In fact ad hoc trips are now not even thought of. Maybe a package holiday in the year..The rest have gone. It's far more relaxing having a break in the UK now.....This has little to with cost in my case..
Airports are trying to stay with the appeal that the main legacy airlines want, but, are finding it difficult to afford along with the cattle shed mentality of the LoCo's.....
Something has got to give.
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Flying/BHX
The other aspect is the not knowing what type of experience
you are going to get depending on the latest worldwide security
incident.
I last flew from BHX on a Tuesday in December and it was a dream
but looking at last months passenger figures you can see why.
I arrived later than I wanted due to a cancelled train (useless in
this country) to find a smooth transition through Security to the
aircraft. On my return, steps waiting, no immigration (from Dublin)
and straight to the railway station - to find my train cancelled again.
The flight was grim due to constant sales pitch but I chose to
use that airline but I do agree with both previous comments,
on a busy summers day (I have been in immigration with the PIA still
clearing), flying can seem to be no fun at all.
Domestics flights would be even more at risk if the UK had a decent
rail system and as for driving in the UK, I don't find that a pleasant experience either. I know at least it is door to door although the
queueing still happens just on the motorway and not at security points.
Back to routes:-
Thomson's seem to have added Taba from mid February,
which did operate last winter but was not due to start
until May. The rest of the Thomson summer schedule has
not changed too much from the first release but with the
767 appearing on to be here 4 days and a 73H based it
will be down on 2009.
Pete
you are going to get depending on the latest worldwide security
incident.
I last flew from BHX on a Tuesday in December and it was a dream
but looking at last months passenger figures you can see why.
I arrived later than I wanted due to a cancelled train (useless in
this country) to find a smooth transition through Security to the
aircraft. On my return, steps waiting, no immigration (from Dublin)
and straight to the railway station - to find my train cancelled again.
The flight was grim due to constant sales pitch but I chose to
use that airline but I do agree with both previous comments,
on a busy summers day (I have been in immigration with the PIA still
clearing), flying can seem to be no fun at all.
Domestics flights would be even more at risk if the UK had a decent
rail system and as for driving in the UK, I don't find that a pleasant experience either. I know at least it is door to door although the
queueing still happens just on the motorway and not at security points.
Back to routes:-
Thomson's seem to have added Taba from mid February,
which did operate last winter but was not due to start
until May. The rest of the Thomson summer schedule has
not changed too much from the first release but with the
767 appearing on to be here 4 days and a 73H based it
will be down on 2009.
Pete
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Thomson add BE DBV
It would appear that Thomson will charter a Flybe aircraft to operate a flight to Dubrovnik on Sunday morning ex BHX for Summer 2010.
BE4435 Dep BHX 0700 Arr DBV 1105 ER9
BE4436 Dep DBV 1205 Arr BHX 1410 ER9
It will operate from 2/5/2010 until 19/9/2010 and appears to be an additional flight to the scheduled Flybe Sunday afternoon departure to DBV. Alghero, Sardinia is however no longer bookable maybe due to the demise of Holiday Options?
I know that the addition of a 737-800 is only seen by some as a cut in seats ex BHX. I hope this smaller aircraft will continue to open smaller niche market charters to places like Skiathos and Santorini etc. that wouldn't be viable if operated by a 757.
Daza
BE4435 Dep BHX 0700 Arr DBV 1105 ER9
BE4436 Dep DBV 1205 Arr BHX 1410 ER9
It will operate from 2/5/2010 until 19/9/2010 and appears to be an additional flight to the scheduled Flybe Sunday afternoon departure to DBV. Alghero, Sardinia is however no longer bookable maybe due to the demise of Holiday Options?
I know that the addition of a 737-800 is only seen by some as a cut in seats ex BHX. I hope this smaller aircraft will continue to open smaller niche market charters to places like Skiathos and Santorini etc. that wouldn't be viable if operated by a 757.
Daza
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The way airlines seem hell bent on route duplication at BHX it wouldn't surprise me if Flybe started DXB albeit indirect!Join Date: Feb 2009
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This is the schedule change & it looks like a GRO based aircraft on its second rotation.
GOING OUT
From Birmingham(BHX) to Barcelona Girona(GRO)
Wed, 16/06/2010 Flight 9163 Depart BHX at 1415 and arrive GRO at 1725
COMING BACK
From Barcelona Girona(GRO) to Birmingham(BHX)
Fri, 25/06/2010 Flight 9162 Depart GRO at 1235 and arrive BHX at 1350
This is the schedule change & it looks like a GRO based aircraft on its second rotation.
GOING OUT
From Birmingham(BHX) to Barcelona Girona(GRO)
Wed, 16/06/2010 Flight 9163 Depart BHX at 1415 and arrive GRO at 1725
COMING BACK
From Barcelona Girona(GRO) to Birmingham(BHX)
Fri, 25/06/2010 Flight 9162 Depart GRO at 1235 and arrive BHX at 1350
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Girona
ssflyer
Cheers for that, it is now bookable again with Mo/We/Fr arrives
BHX 13.50 and Departs 14.15.
Sun arrives BHX 0745 departs 08.10.
Lovely 0630 departure ex GRO on Sunday!
Pete
Cheers for that, it is now bookable again with Mo/We/Fr arrives
BHX 13.50 and Departs 14.15.
Sun arrives BHX 0745 departs 08.10.
Lovely 0630 departure ex GRO on Sunday!
Pete
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BMI British Midland International Baby EGBB - EGPF cancelled this morning at the last minute. Don't know why. The crew were called just as they reported, and sent home. Is this rigor mortis setting into the chilling corpse?
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BHX Terminals To Merge
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The merging of the terminals is something that has been on the plans for a while.
Basically the Security search area will be relocated to the link building and will serve as the one and only search area. You will then go to the appropriate terminal from the other side. Via more shops (Of course)
Basically the Security search area will be relocated to the link building and will serve as the one and only search area. You will then go to the appropriate terminal from the other side. Via more shops (Of course)
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T1/T2
call100
Does that mean no T1/T2 and aircraft could in theory park anywhere
or will it still be FR/BE on the southside and the rest the north?
Such a waste all those T2 airbridges hardly used as they were
designed for.
Pete
Does that mean no T1/T2 and aircraft could in theory park anywhere
or will it still be FR/BE on the southside and the rest the north?
Such a waste all those T2 airbridges hardly used as they were
designed for.
Pete
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December Route analysis
Monthly pax figures: CAA
Average pax and load factor: my records & acarsd
I did keep a daily record of flights due but not
weather cancellations but these should not be too
far out. Turkish have now cancelled some Tuesday
services in the next few weeks which seems a very
good idea looking at the Istanbul figures below.
The reduction in frequencies by the full service
carriers on the whole has helped maintain load
factors lets also hope it worked for yields as well.
Paris, Dusseldorf, Zurich, Munich, Frankfurt, Hanover,
Dubai and Islamabad saw increases.
BRUSSELS/6418/31 PAX PER FLIGHT/35-40% LOAD FACTOR
LARNACA/3211/142 PAX/74%
PAPHOS/485/SEE ABOVE
COPENHAGAN/4711/64 PAX/74%
BIARITTZ/1831/131 PAX/69%
CHAMBERY/717/60 PAX/77%
GRENOBLE/1351/112 PAX/67%
LYON/1722/25 PAX/50%
PARIS/26560/63 PAX/71%
DUSSELDORF/11888/41 PAX/55-60%
FRANKFURT/17847/62 PAX/60-65%
HAMBURG/2270/60 PAX/77%
HANOVER/3537/55 PAX/71%
MUNICH/8930/60 PAX/70%
WEEZE/4510/141 PAX/75%
STUTTGART/2449/32 PAX/41%
CORK/8733/90 PAX/52%
DUBLIN/45736/131 PAX/75%
KNOCK/2880/90 PAX/69%
SHANNON/4213/132 PAX/70%
WATERFORD/1634/48 PAX/73%
MILAN/1690/44 PAX/38%
PISA/2379/132 PAX/70%
MALTA/1820/107 PAX
AMSTERDAM/31651/91 PAX/65%
FARO/4730/139 PAX/70%
ALICANTE/12207/142 PAX/77%
GIRONA/3982/124 PAX/65%
MALAGA/11575/129 PAX/70%
MURCIA/3713/143 PAX/76%
ARRECIFE/5339/167 PAX/83%
FUERTA/1393/139 PAX/65%
LAS PALMAS/3130/121 PAX/61%
TENERIFE/13067/163 PAX/80%
GOTHENBERG/1240/25 PAX/67%
GENEVA/6741/130 PAX/85%
ZURICH/12368/69 PAX/69%
ISTANBUL/3845/87 PAX/55%
PRAGUE/9478/148 PAX/90%
KAUNAS/2337/130 PAX/69%
GDANSK/2485/133 PAX/70%
KATOWICE/2391/133 PAX/70%
KRAKOW/3202/133 PAX/71%
RZESNOW/2332/130 PAX/69%
BRATISLAVA/4201/150 PAX/79%
ASHKHABAD/5033/148 PAX/78%
TEHRAN/4741/158 PAX?
DUBAI/36625/295 PAX/75%
ISLAMABAD/7883/282 PAX/71%
NEWARK/7077/147 PAX/84%
Average pax and load factor: my records & acarsd
I did keep a daily record of flights due but not
weather cancellations but these should not be too
far out. Turkish have now cancelled some Tuesday
services in the next few weeks which seems a very
good idea looking at the Istanbul figures below.
The reduction in frequencies by the full service
carriers on the whole has helped maintain load
factors lets also hope it worked for yields as well.
Paris, Dusseldorf, Zurich, Munich, Frankfurt, Hanover,
Dubai and Islamabad saw increases.
BRUSSELS/6418/31 PAX PER FLIGHT/35-40% LOAD FACTOR
LARNACA/3211/142 PAX/74%
PAPHOS/485/SEE ABOVE
COPENHAGAN/4711/64 PAX/74%
BIARITTZ/1831/131 PAX/69%
CHAMBERY/717/60 PAX/77%
GRENOBLE/1351/112 PAX/67%
LYON/1722/25 PAX/50%
PARIS/26560/63 PAX/71%
DUSSELDORF/11888/41 PAX/55-60%
FRANKFURT/17847/62 PAX/60-65%
HAMBURG/2270/60 PAX/77%
HANOVER/3537/55 PAX/71%
MUNICH/8930/60 PAX/70%
WEEZE/4510/141 PAX/75%
STUTTGART/2449/32 PAX/41%
CORK/8733/90 PAX/52%
DUBLIN/45736/131 PAX/75%
KNOCK/2880/90 PAX/69%
SHANNON/4213/132 PAX/70%
WATERFORD/1634/48 PAX/73%
MILAN/1690/44 PAX/38%
PISA/2379/132 PAX/70%
MALTA/1820/107 PAX
AMSTERDAM/31651/91 PAX/65%
FARO/4730/139 PAX/70%
ALICANTE/12207/142 PAX/77%
GIRONA/3982/124 PAX/65%
MALAGA/11575/129 PAX/70%
MURCIA/3713/143 PAX/76%
ARRECIFE/5339/167 PAX/83%
FUERTA/1393/139 PAX/65%
LAS PALMAS/3130/121 PAX/61%
TENERIFE/13067/163 PAX/80%
GOTHENBERG/1240/25 PAX/67%
GENEVA/6741/130 PAX/85%
ZURICH/12368/69 PAX/69%
ISTANBUL/3845/87 PAX/55%
PRAGUE/9478/148 PAX/90%
KAUNAS/2337/130 PAX/69%
GDANSK/2485/133 PAX/70%
KATOWICE/2391/133 PAX/70%
KRAKOW/3202/133 PAX/71%
RZESNOW/2332/130 PAX/69%
BRATISLAVA/4201/150 PAX/79%
ASHKHABAD/5033/148 PAX/78%
TEHRAN/4741/158 PAX?
DUBAI/36625/295 PAX/75%
ISLAMABAD/7883/282 PAX/71%
NEWARK/7077/147 PAX/84%
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Turkish
I flew TK IST-BHX on 24/12 and BHX-IST on 5/1, there were no more than 40 in Economy on both sectors (back to IST was on a 321!). OK, thats just two flights out of a five a week year round schedule but looking at the recent 55% LF posted by OP (has it ever been much higher than this?) surely this must be a route under review. I hope it doesn't go, maybe it is better as a summer only service?
Having said that, to survive as an alternative to the other connecting carriers from BHX they will have to up their game - aircraft are quite tatty inside, crew a bit surly, no seat back IFE and IST airport mayhem for connections (I only just made mine on the way to BHX and I had 2 hours between flights!). IMO LX and EK certainly as far as travelling to the Middle East is concerned offer a far superior product from BHX
Having said that, to survive as an alternative to the other connecting carriers from BHX they will have to up their game - aircraft are quite tatty inside, crew a bit surly, no seat back IFE and IST airport mayhem for connections (I only just made mine on the way to BHX and I had 2 hours between flights!). IMO LX and EK certainly as far as travelling to the Middle East is concerned offer a far superior product from BHX
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Theoretically, anything will be able to use any terminal. Having said that the fine detail is yet to be worked out....