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With regards to the flybe/bacon deal apparently it will be a BA/swissport partnership for 90 days. I dont know exactly how it will work though. Maybe ba will be left alone to handle some flights and swissport to handle the rest. However after speaking to ba guys they are admanat that they will not work with any swissport staff!!!! I think this will cause a few delays
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Emirates at BHX
A selected quote from a local newspaper: -
"It means that Emirates will be looking to use larger aircraft at
Birmingham from summer onwards – and increases the chances of the
introduction of a third service in about a year's time".
I am not sure if was a direct quote by Emirates or an assumption by
the newspaper but as we know the lunchtime service is a 77W from
1/7/07 and with the threat of Qatar I wonder if the evening service
will also be upgraded soon.
The evening service started badly but now seems to be very healthy.
261 pax apparently last night on the outbound which had to return due
tech problem (ended up night-stopping, going out today).
OP
"It means that Emirates will be looking to use larger aircraft at
Birmingham from summer onwards – and increases the chances of the
introduction of a third service in about a year's time".
I am not sure if was a direct quote by Emirates or an assumption by
the newspaper but as we know the lunchtime service is a 77W from
1/7/07 and with the threat of Qatar I wonder if the evening service
will also be upgraded soon.
The evening service started badly but now seems to be very healthy.
261 pax apparently last night on the outbound which had to return due
tech problem (ended up night-stopping, going out today).
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Gayfriendly,
I understand Aerosvit are looking at coming back with a 2/3 times BHX-Kiev flight. No dates yet but they've changed ticketing agents (in the UK end) & I believe they're trying to push Kiev as a destination (nice City apparently) in addition to the usual traffic to Asia.
As regards to the Emirates, todays lunchtime flight was upgraded to a B773 & the Manchester flight routed MAN-BHX-DXB to pick up the stragglers. I believe the evening flight is an A330 as usual.
From an engineer I spoke to today, it seems Emirates may have to airfreight a new engine in although this will probably be flown into East Mid's & transported down the M42. (apparently the handling agents [at BHX] turn away a number of cargo flights due to lack of staff/equipment & they end up going to East Mids or Coventry)
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I understand Aerosvit are looking at coming back with a 2/3 times BHX-Kiev flight. No dates yet but they've changed ticketing agents (in the UK end) & I believe they're trying to push Kiev as a destination (nice City apparently) in addition to the usual traffic to Asia.
As regards to the Emirates, todays lunchtime flight was upgraded to a B773 & the Manchester flight routed MAN-BHX-DXB to pick up the stragglers. I believe the evening flight is an A330 as usual.
From an engineer I spoke to today, it seems Emirates may have to airfreight a new engine in although this will probably be flown into East Mid's & transported down the M42. (apparently the handling agents [at BHX] turn away a number of cargo flights due to lack of staff/equipment & they end up going to East Mids or Coventry)
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Iteresting seeing the so called deal for a BA/Swissport partnership for 90 days at BHX, we are all wondering in MAN what the hell is going on, cos as normall nobody is saying anything, the latest rumour heard today that SAS have won the contract for BE anyway!!
Sorry to say, that i did laugh when i heard about the staff levels with swissport at BHX, at least i know it looks like a all station agreement, i have given up with all the overtime we are not allowed to cover, can see us loosing contracts not gaining any!!
Sorry to say, that i did laugh when i heard about the staff levels with swissport at BHX, at least i know it looks like a all station agreement, i have given up with all the overtime we are not allowed to cover, can see us loosing contracts not gaining any!!
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Has BHX to Boston ever been tried down they years? Had the idea that if Astraeus have any spare capacity going with the 737-700 in light of the end of FlyMe's operation that a consideration might be given to a BHX-BOS? The proviso being that the aircraft stop off at Cork two or three times a week!
Any takers to the idea or is the range of a 737-700 not enough for BHX/ORK to BOS?
Just an idea. Thanks.
Any takers to the idea or is the range of a 737-700 not enough for BHX/ORK to BOS?
Just an idea. Thanks.
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Think most of any BHX-BOS traffic would be connecting onto other destinations in the U.S. Would maybe work for someone like AA but can't see astreus making it work
On another topic it's very dissapointing not to have got Qatar, it was really our only chance of a new long haul this year. EK loads recently have been fantastic, and apparently they're looking at a 3rd daily from MAN with BHX not too far behind (think the A380 situation is messing things up a bit), could QR nip in and beat them too it???
Article from local paper:
Emirates Airline – now regarded as the premier carrier at Birmingham
International Airport – is again planning an increase in capacity
after notching up a 71 per cent rise in the number of passengers
using its Birmingham services in just two years.
From 187,000 customers flying with the Dubai-based international
carrier in 2004/2005, the latest figures for the year to March have
hit 320,000 for its twice-daily services from Birmingham.
It means that Emirates will be looking to use larger aircraft at
Birmingham from summer onwards – and increases the chances of the
introduction of a third service in about a year's time.
Emirates says that as well as the growth of Dubai as one of the
world's leading business and tourism destinations, the popularity of
Australian destinations has soared as Midlands travellers turn their
back on London's airports to fly direct from Birmingham.
Four of the top seven destinations for Emirates passengers are now in
Australia – compared with two in 2005 – with Perth, Sydney, Brisbane
and Melbourne overtaking Delhi and Dhaka in popularity as travellers
take advantage of connections through the carrier's Dubai hub.
Laurie Berryman, Emirates manager UK North, said yesterday: "Air
travellers in the Midlands have realised there's little point in
travelling down the M1 or M40 to the London airports when there's our
choice of services on their doorstep.
"There is a significant time saving by flying direct with Emirates
from Birmingham International to our destinations in the Middle East,
Asia and Australia.
"Business class passenger numbers have actually grown faster than
economy, in part due to our very popular chauffeur-drive service
within a 70 mile radius of BIA."
On another topic it's very dissapointing not to have got Qatar, it was really our only chance of a new long haul this year. EK loads recently have been fantastic, and apparently they're looking at a 3rd daily from MAN with BHX not too far behind (think the A380 situation is messing things up a bit), could QR nip in and beat them too it???
Article from local paper:
Emirates Airline – now regarded as the premier carrier at Birmingham
International Airport – is again planning an increase in capacity
after notching up a 71 per cent rise in the number of passengers
using its Birmingham services in just two years.
From 187,000 customers flying with the Dubai-based international
carrier in 2004/2005, the latest figures for the year to March have
hit 320,000 for its twice-daily services from Birmingham.
It means that Emirates will be looking to use larger aircraft at
Birmingham from summer onwards – and increases the chances of the
introduction of a third service in about a year's time.
Emirates says that as well as the growth of Dubai as one of the
world's leading business and tourism destinations, the popularity of
Australian destinations has soared as Midlands travellers turn their
back on London's airports to fly direct from Birmingham.
Four of the top seven destinations for Emirates passengers are now in
Australia – compared with two in 2005 – with Perth, Sydney, Brisbane
and Melbourne overtaking Delhi and Dhaka in popularity as travellers
take advantage of connections through the carrier's Dubai hub.
Laurie Berryman, Emirates manager UK North, said yesterday: "Air
travellers in the Midlands have realised there's little point in
travelling down the M1 or M40 to the London airports when there's our
choice of services on their doorstep.
"There is a significant time saving by flying direct with Emirates
from Birmingham International to our destinations in the Middle East,
Asia and Australia.
"Business class passenger numbers have actually grown faster than
economy, in part due to our very popular chauffeur-drive service
within a 70 mile radius of BIA."
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Boston
Tom
There has never been a Boston as far as I know (1976) and although it
would be the right size aircraft it would not work business only config.
This leaves a mix of business and economy and could any airline make that pay on a 73G from a regional airport to the USA?
However GLA - BOS will be a 73H and GSM must have done their sums for them to take this on but I am not sure about a 73G.
BHX at the moment is dismal across the pond and I would like to see
anybody have a go but not with my money
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There has never been a Boston as far as I know (1976) and although it
would be the right size aircraft it would not work business only config.
This leaves a mix of business and economy and could any airline make that pay on a 73G from a regional airport to the USA?
However GLA - BOS will be a 73H and GSM must have done their sums for them to take this on but I am not sure about a 73G.
BHX at the moment is dismal across the pond and I would like to see
anybody have a go but not with my money
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FlyBe
So, the deal is done!! 31 new routes announced on website today. It would seem that BHX has, as previously predicted, lost Madrid, Berlin, Geneva and Lyon, thank goodness BMIBbaby have taken on BCN or that would have gone too - so, not good news at all 
If FR can make these sorts of routes work from EMA why can someone not from BHX?? I guess with Flybe its lack of aircraft and quite simply I suppose CDG, FRA, STR etc make more money. I can't see anyone taking over the dropped routes for the time being, maybe Baby might look at them for the winter?? Perhaps Air Berlin might be interested in a Berlin flight?? Or maybe the mythical Birmingham European if they actually ever get off the ground. We can but hope!! Interestingly there is lots of expansion from MAN although they too have lost some ex BACON routes. Now I guess we just have to see how the Baby and newly expanded Flybe get along together at BHX...............
If FR can make these sorts of routes work from EMA why can someone not from BHX?? I guess with Flybe its lack of aircraft and quite simply I suppose CDG, FRA, STR etc make more money. I can't see anyone taking over the dropped routes for the time being, maybe Baby might look at them for the winter?? Perhaps Air Berlin might be interested in a Berlin flight?? Or maybe the mythical Birmingham European if they actually ever get off the ground. We can but hope!! Interestingly there is lots of expansion from MAN although they too have lost some ex BACON routes. Now I guess we just have to see how the Baby and newly expanded Flybe get along together at BHX...............
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Both MAD & BCN are being looked at by Spanish Airlines I understand (possibly Click & Air Nostrum, who through Iberia's connection to BA, may have got wind that these routes were no longer to be operated).
With Air Berlin taking delivery of new aircraft, I guess a TXL-BHX with a Fokker100 may work.
WNC
With Air Berlin taking delivery of new aircraft, I guess a TXL-BHX with a Fokker100 may work.
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Servisair Bail out Swissport
PIA 777 in today, I heard that as Swissport had never handled this type of aircraft at BHX and they hadn't a clue on the load control aspect of it and had to get Servisair to help them load the ULD's they didn't understand that being a 777 you have to leave gaps in between ULD's in the hold, it is not common practice to fill these gaps with bags, your supposed to use the locking pins!!! LOL - Made my day when i got told this. Bloody hilarious!!! Poor old PIA took a few hours of a delay, at least Servsair know what they're doing.
Perhaps after this performance PIA will re-consider bringing in the 777?
Perhaps after this performance PIA will re-consider bringing in the 777?
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Dred,
As a regular user of Swissport, and frequent sufferer of their often poor performance I must on this occasion jump to their defence
PIA currently operate the 777 to BHX or don't operate at all! The EU has banned PIA (excluding the 777) from flying to EU destinations because of ongoing safety concerns that have NOT been addressed.
Swissport haven't handled a 777 before - is that their fault? Suddenly overnight (and we are talking that sort of notification time frame) they are told by PIA they will be getting a 777 on the service. No ramp staff trained or experienced on 777 as have never handled it before, probably no RAMP manual provided by PIA in advance either.
The mess is of PIA's own making my friend, on this occasion NOT Swissports! They will learn - as no doubt you did one day. If PIA were a good airline they would have sent a support team to assist an agent who had no prior knowledge, or expectation of handling an aircraft type for which they had no advance notification.
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As a regular user of Swissport, and frequent sufferer of their often poor performance I must on this occasion jump to their defence
PIA currently operate the 777 to BHX or don't operate at all! The EU has banned PIA (excluding the 777) from flying to EU destinations because of ongoing safety concerns that have NOT been addressed.
Swissport haven't handled a 777 before - is that their fault? Suddenly overnight (and we are talking that sort of notification time frame) they are told by PIA they will be getting a 777 on the service. No ramp staff trained or experienced on 777 as have never handled it before, probably no RAMP manual provided by PIA in advance either.
The mess is of PIA's own making my friend, on this occasion NOT Swissports! They will learn - as no doubt you did one day. If PIA were a good airline they would have sent a support team to assist an agent who had no prior knowledge, or expectation of handling an aircraft type for which they had no advance notification.
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No loadcontrol problem on the PIA, just short of loaders. As we don't handle 777's it's hardly surpirising that they had a problem. These things happen on all new types when you don't get any manuals or training before they arrive.
No loadcontrol problem on the PIA, just short of loaders. As we don't handle 777's it's hardly surpirising that they had a problem. These things happen on all new types when you don't get any manuals or training before they arrive.
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Pia 777
No problem at all with load control infact the best man for the job was load controling the flight just not enough staff and no training to deal with aircraft that big. as per usual not enough staff and no training given prior to its arrival
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Security News
Anyone heard the latest in the security TUPe? Which company are going to be taking on the contract? Wonder where all this is heading with the cleaners gone to ISS( working well so it seems) and fire department gone to Serco ( not working well by all accounts) Which department will be joining them next I wonder? Is this heading for landlord only status for airport management?
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Gosh, thanks for telling us
Haven't you managed to work out that PIA provide no manuals to handling agents
Makes loading the a/c for the first time really difficult if no one knows how it all works, even Servisair who have upto 3 777's a day were scratching there heads.
Haven't you managed to work out that PIA provide no manuals to handling agents
Makes loading the a/c for the first time really difficult if no one knows how it all works, even Servisair who have upto 3 777's a day were scratching there heads.