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Im guessing the 3 hour wait on board and a further hour for bags, so the ramp guys told me may deter them from a future BHX visit! Not the airports fault I grant you handlers streched to the max!!!
Cant remember and dont know if its still the case but BHX never used to charge for diverts, not sure about ground agencies.
Cant remember and dont know if its still the case but BHX never used to charge for diverts, not sure about ground agencies.
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The amount of diversions yesterday was incredible and I know that the
pax who had to wait hours for bags and coaches were peeved a bit but
people need to get real in these situations.
Lucky to have an airport which had 30 odd spare stands to park them.
I wonder what time the Wizz Kiev pax got back to Luton from Doncaster,
even if they got their bags quicker I bet the road journey was a mare.
Also I am not sure what the split was but most seemed to be Servisair handled, do we know if Aviance helped out as they are to be one of the same company?
I have not got the final figure for diverts yesterday but I bet it was
nearing 40.
Also Luton & Stansted now have fog although EMA is the only one to recieve diverts thus far but more could be heading this way.
Pete
pax who had to wait hours for bags and coaches were peeved a bit but
people need to get real in these situations.
Lucky to have an airport which had 30 odd spare stands to park them.
I wonder what time the Wizz Kiev pax got back to Luton from Doncaster,
even if they got their bags quicker I bet the road journey was a mare.
Also I am not sure what the split was but most seemed to be Servisair handled, do we know if Aviance helped out as they are to be one of the same company?
I have not got the final figure for diverts yesterday but I bet it was
nearing 40.
Also Luton & Stansted now have fog although EMA is the only one to recieve diverts thus far but more could be heading this way.
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Really Call100?? I had no idea!
Simply pointing out to a previous poster that they wouldnt have been to impressed at the service they received although the guys are doing there best as they are streched at the best of times. But the average punter was prob feeling a little hacked off by the time they exited arrivals hence prob not the best lasting memory of the wonderful facilities BHX has to offer.
Did Ryanair lay on a bus for all the pax they diverted into BHX???
Simply pointing out to a previous poster that they wouldnt have been to impressed at the service they received although the guys are doing there best as they are streched at the best of times. But the average punter was prob feeling a little hacked off by the time they exited arrivals hence prob not the best lasting memory of the wonderful facilities BHX has to offer.
Did Ryanair lay on a bus for all the pax they diverted into BHX???
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do we know if Aviance helped out
Did Ryanair lay on a bus for all the pax they diverted into BHX???
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I was present and witnessed a lot last night and think you can say the best job was done with the notice period given and the manpower available, yes acft were dropping (11 in the hold at one point) then being marshalled onto stand by the airport. In a couple of instances U2 PSA/LGW and IST/LGW the handlers did not know for a while they had landed and had parked up. Some crews opted to keep pax on board thinking they would get out again, then some airports did not re-open and crew hours became an issue.
Its a simple fact no one can ever be fully prepared for diverts and certainly not that amount at an airport with the apron size of BHX. Who would have thought LGW, LTN and STN would be out at the same time ? (think this was the case for a short period)
More people were angry with being on the acft for hours with no water service offered on some flights, the TOM LGW/FNC was one of the first to land, he decided to wait and see if LGW would open when it did for a while he got a slot, then lost it and went out of hours, in this time pax could of been off and nearly back in LGW it was about 4/5 hours total.
Well done BHX, yes not perfect but as Call100 says it was a case of getting them down where ever safely. I think i read at one point the BA238 was heading off towards Scotland possibly GLA ??? after being told LHR could not cope with pax arriving in the terminals and asked for the arrival rate to slow.
I think Servisair with very few loaders on, coupled with having to turn the scheduled stuff of EK, and two EI's worked there butts off to get 20+ offloaded with single digit manpower, spread over to terminals!
Its a simple fact no one can ever be fully prepared for diverts and certainly not that amount at an airport with the apron size of BHX. Who would have thought LGW, LTN and STN would be out at the same time ? (think this was the case for a short period)
More people were angry with being on the acft for hours with no water service offered on some flights, the TOM LGW/FNC was one of the first to land, he decided to wait and see if LGW would open when it did for a while he got a slot, then lost it and went out of hours, in this time pax could of been off and nearly back in LGW it was about 4/5 hours total.
Well done BHX, yes not perfect but as Call100 says it was a case of getting them down where ever safely. I think i read at one point the BA238 was heading off towards Scotland possibly GLA ??? after being told LHR could not cope with pax arriving in the terminals and asked for the arrival rate to slow.
I think Servisair with very few loaders on, coupled with having to turn the scheduled stuff of EK, and two EI's worked there butts off to get 20+ offloaded with single digit manpower, spread over to terminals!
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What you have both described sounds like a fantastic effort by all
concerned and I just hope it is appreciated by the airlines and
management at bhx.
No let up either, three easyjets have just diverted in from STN and two
flybe from Southampton.
Pete
What you have both described sounds like a fantastic effort by all
concerned and I just hope it is appreciated by the airlines and
management at bhx.
No let up either, three easyjets have just diverted in from STN and two
flybe from Southampton.
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HeliCraig - thats what I thought but there is a corresponding arrival in the evening BE8032 from ATH at 2030 which would signify an out and back flight? Maybe its a big crew changeover positioning to/from ATH?
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Just noticed new 3 x weekly BHX - Dalaman from May on the Monarch website. Also showing 2 x weekly MAN - Antalya and 2 x weekly LTN - Dalaman and Bodrum 
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Confirmed no increase here at all, straight swap for Murcia which
has gone from daily to four weekly to three weekly to nil over the
last couple of years.
Baby reduced Murcia last year as well and it is 3/4 weekly next
summer and Ryanair stay the same at present 4 weekly.
Goldtrail Holidays are currently showing Monarch flights Sun -Thur
with 5000 flight numbers which would be an extra aircraft but some
seem to think they will morph back onto the Thomas Cook aircraft.
Pete
Confirmed no increase here at all, straight swap for Murcia which
has gone from daily to four weekly to three weekly to nil over the
last couple of years.
Baby reduced Murcia last year as well and it is 3/4 weekly next
summer and Ryanair stay the same at present 4 weekly.
Goldtrail Holidays are currently showing Monarch flights Sun -Thur
with 5000 flight numbers which would be an extra aircraft but some
seem to think they will morph back onto the Thomas Cook aircraft.
Pete
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Monarch summer 2010
The schedule change is quite extensive really
with Murcia gone, Almeria disappointingly
reduced from three weekly to weekly but Arrecife
increased to three weekly. Palma on Saturday reduced
to one.
Obviously taking advantage of reduced landing fees at ACE/FUE/LPA/TFS.
Four based at present with no gaps in the schedule and in fact some
flights require re-timing at night due to the changes.
Mon
1) ALC/TFS
2) FAO/DLM
3) AGP/LPA
4) CFU (IT)/MAH/CFU (IT) SHORT SEASON
TUE
1) ALC/MAH
2) FAO/ACE
3) AGP/TFS
4) HER (IT)/HER (IT) SHORT SEASON?
WED
1) ALC/LCA
2) FAO/FUE
3) AGP/TFS
4) PFO OR RHO/ RHO OR PFO ALL IT
THU
1) ALC/TFS
2) FAO/ACE/ZTE (IT) times no longer fit
3) AGP/LEI/IBZ But times no longer fit
4) PMI/DLM
FRI
1) ALC/LCA
2) FAO/PMI/HER (IT)
3) AGP/TFS
4) MAH/MAH/IBZ
SAT
1) ALC/FUE
2) FAO/DLM
3) AGP/LPA
4) PMI/ACE/IBZ - time does not fit
Sun
1) ALC/PMI/IBZ
2) FAO/LCA
3) AGP/TFS
4) PFO (IT)
Pete
with Murcia gone, Almeria disappointingly
reduced from three weekly to weekly but Arrecife
increased to three weekly. Palma on Saturday reduced
to one.
Obviously taking advantage of reduced landing fees at ACE/FUE/LPA/TFS.
Four based at present with no gaps in the schedule and in fact some
flights require re-timing at night due to the changes.
Mon
1) ALC/TFS
2) FAO/DLM
3) AGP/LPA
4) CFU (IT)/MAH/CFU (IT) SHORT SEASON
TUE
1) ALC/MAH
2) FAO/ACE
3) AGP/TFS
4) HER (IT)/HER (IT) SHORT SEASON?
WED
1) ALC/LCA
2) FAO/FUE
3) AGP/TFS
4) PFO OR RHO/ RHO OR PFO ALL IT
THU
1) ALC/TFS
2) FAO/ACE/ZTE (IT) times no longer fit
3) AGP/LEI/IBZ But times no longer fit
4) PMI/DLM
FRI
1) ALC/LCA
2) FAO/PMI/HER (IT)
3) AGP/TFS
4) MAH/MAH/IBZ
SAT
1) ALC/FUE
2) FAO/DLM
3) AGP/LPA
4) PMI/ACE/IBZ - time does not fit
Sun
1) ALC/PMI/IBZ
2) FAO/LCA
3) AGP/TFS
4) PFO (IT)
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Just copied the flights from another list plus another site and since
last week I have noted 100 diversions!
Not sure if the mods would like a whole list of reg's but I will give some
breakdown between airports and airlines when I can.
Diverts taken from LGW, BRS, LTN, STN, MAN, LPL & LBA.
Possibly others as well but no LHR or EMA I think.
Still quite amazing.
Foggy most of today but I believe nothing lost but could be wrong
on that one.
Pete
Just copied the flights from another list plus another site and since
last week I have noted 100 diversions!
Not sure if the mods would like a whole list of reg's but I will give some
breakdown between airports and airlines when I can.
Diverts taken from LGW, BRS, LTN, STN, MAN, LPL & LBA.
Possibly others as well but no LHR or EMA I think.
Still quite amazing.
Foggy most of today but I believe nothing lost but could be wrong
on that one.
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November route analysis
A lot less accurate and late this month due to
some annual event.
BRUSSELS/8395/39 PAX/40-45% LOAD FACTOR
BILLUND/1232/103 PAX/54%
COPENHAGEN/62 PAX/65-70%
BIARRITZ/1783/99 PAX/52%
LYON/2508/29 PAX/63%
PARIS CDG/55 PAX/63%
DUSSELDORF/12573/35 PAX/55%
FRANKFURT/18842/53 PAX\55-60%
HAMBURG/1994/44 PAX/57%
HANOVER/3720/55 PAX/70%
MUNICH/9302/57 PAX/62%
WEEZE/4572/134 PAX/71%
STUTTGART/2431/26 PAX/33%
CORK/9793/104 PAX/60%
DUBLIN/49031/136 PAX/75%
KNOCK/3275/91 PAX/65%
SHANNON/4902/138 PAX/73%
WATERFORD/1510/42 PAX/63%
MILAN MXP/1638/37 PAX/32%
PISA/1992/111 PAX/59%
AMSTERDAM/33641/85 PAX/65-70%
FARO/5716/150 PAX/70%
ALICANTE/12469/156 PAX/83%
GIRONA/4038/112 PAX/59%
MALAGA/13649/131 PAX/75%
MURCIA/3727/155 PAX/82%
ARRECIFE/5770/160/80%
FUERTAVENTURA/1358/170 PAX/79%
LAS PALMAS/3979/142 PAX/77%
TENERIFE/13633/149 PAX/71%
GOTHENBERG/1484/28 PAX/76%
ZURICH/11131/62 PAX/62%
ISTANBUL/3565/81 PAX/52%
PRAGUE/8781/122 PAX/76%
KAUNAS/2328/129 PAX/68%
GDANSK/2122/133 PAX/70%
KATOWICE/2057/129 PAX/68%
KRAKOW/3205/123 PAX/65%
RZESNOW/2227/124 PAX/65%
BRATISLAVA/3702/154 PAX/82%
ASHKHABAD/5864/163 PAX/86%
TEHRAN/4180/161 PAX
DUBAI/38094/317 PAX/79%
ISLAMBAD/8894/342 PAX/87%
NEWARK/7272/158 PAX/84%
Pretty grim short-haul but long-haul is rosy though by the look of it!!
potash
checked the overall Canaries figures for BHX and they are flat
but EMA was down. Other Spanish destinations were well down
at both BHX & EMA.
I suppose you could say "flat" was good compared to the overall
BHX figure and comparing to other Spanish routes.
Pete
some annual event.
BRUSSELS/8395/39 PAX/40-45% LOAD FACTOR
BILLUND/1232/103 PAX/54%
COPENHAGEN/62 PAX/65-70%
BIARRITZ/1783/99 PAX/52%
LYON/2508/29 PAX/63%
PARIS CDG/55 PAX/63%
DUSSELDORF/12573/35 PAX/55%
FRANKFURT/18842/53 PAX\55-60%
HAMBURG/1994/44 PAX/57%
HANOVER/3720/55 PAX/70%
MUNICH/9302/57 PAX/62%
WEEZE/4572/134 PAX/71%
STUTTGART/2431/26 PAX/33%
CORK/9793/104 PAX/60%
DUBLIN/49031/136 PAX/75%
KNOCK/3275/91 PAX/65%
SHANNON/4902/138 PAX/73%
WATERFORD/1510/42 PAX/63%
MILAN MXP/1638/37 PAX/32%
PISA/1992/111 PAX/59%
AMSTERDAM/33641/85 PAX/65-70%
FARO/5716/150 PAX/70%
ALICANTE/12469/156 PAX/83%
GIRONA/4038/112 PAX/59%
MALAGA/13649/131 PAX/75%
MURCIA/3727/155 PAX/82%
ARRECIFE/5770/160/80%
FUERTAVENTURA/1358/170 PAX/79%
LAS PALMAS/3979/142 PAX/77%
TENERIFE/13633/149 PAX/71%
GOTHENBERG/1484/28 PAX/76%
ZURICH/11131/62 PAX/62%
ISTANBUL/3565/81 PAX/52%
PRAGUE/8781/122 PAX/76%
KAUNAS/2328/129 PAX/68%
GDANSK/2122/133 PAX/70%
KATOWICE/2057/129 PAX/68%
KRAKOW/3205/123 PAX/65%
RZESNOW/2227/124 PAX/65%
BRATISLAVA/3702/154 PAX/82%
ASHKHABAD/5864/163 PAX/86%
TEHRAN/4180/161 PAX
DUBAI/38094/317 PAX/79%
ISLAMBAD/8894/342 PAX/87%
NEWARK/7272/158 PAX/84%
Pretty grim short-haul but long-haul is rosy though by the look of it!!
potash
checked the overall Canaries figures for BHX and they are flat
but EMA was down. Other Spanish destinations were well down
at both BHX & EMA.
I suppose you could say "flat" was good compared to the overall
BHX figure and comparing to other Spanish routes.
Pete
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Thanks for info Pete not many surprises there . I quite expect 2010 to be an even tougher year not just for Bhx but for all airports in the uk Monarch are boxing clever pulling a TFS flight on a sat and switching it to fue to fill TCX slot till oct. Monarch seem to be hesitant to increase there Gatwick routes at present and with Manchester being there only other fr free airport this next year could well see there top line serouley challenged by the threat of fr still if there is £25.00 difference in price i personally would not choose the harp tailed crew
john
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