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Old 24th Feb 2011, 07:15
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Great to see the leisure routes doing well for BACF, would love to see them offer something similar from MAN!
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 10:54
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Cityflyer at MAN would certainly be a nice sight
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 11:11
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Is their 'home' still MAN?
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 17:16
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Yes - head office is in Didsbury.
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Old 4th Mar 2011, 11:55
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Originally Posted by DutchBird-757
Palma: July - Sept > From 4 up to 10 times a week
Ibiza: July - Sept > From 4 up to 10 times a week
Does anyone know when BACF are going to release there 10 x weekly schedules for PMI and IBZ??

Between July and September the flights to IBZ and PMI are currently showing as operating 6 x Weekly from 4th July to 4th September, then 3 x Weekly to end OCT
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Old 4th Mar 2011, 12:31
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I guess they are still trying to find an aircraft/crew to operate it.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 17:12
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Hi all, I was wondering, if BA mainline wanted to buy some ERJs and have CFE operate from Gatwick, is this forbidden under current industrial agreements?

If it is, is there any impediment to having BA buy their own sub fleet and have mainline crew them?

Thanks
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 18:53
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Eurotraveller

Eurotraveller offering on AMS-LCY which I've flown a few times of late is pretty pants! Snack back with a carton of water and thats ur lot!
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 19:52
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It's a 50 minute flight... What do you expect?
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 20:45
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a similar level of service you get on AMS LGW with a sector length of ermm 50 mins! A snack and a drink - fares are similar so why the discrepancy in the service offered? Cityjet offer a full service offering on LCY - AMS and I would like BA to do the same it just seems a lost opportunity to offer good customer service. For the record I like BA losts - I worked for em!!
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 20:46
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50mins! last two i did were around 35min airborne. with 10 mins up and pre landing, that left 10-15mins for service with up to 98pax. I think the bags are a good idea. At least you get something instead of watching the trolley get to two rows in front and then hearing those magic words "10 mins to landing!". I think the crew do a great job to do a service on such a short flight.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 20:50
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Cityjet manage and I would rather pinch their pax than the other way around!
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 21:13
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I am not sure why people are so desperate for a drink and food on such a short flight. It really isnt needed. trouble is people have grown to expect them rather than think do I really need or want.
I flew up London to Manchester on Monday night from leaving the runway at Heathrow to landing at manchester was 30 minutes the crew rushed round with drinks and snack which to me seemed a totally pointless exercise just because people expect it rather than need it.
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 22:20
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Cityjet fly slower rj's and fokkers = more time to serve pax. I know which aircraft I'd rather fly though!
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Old 16th Mar 2011, 23:19
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Originally Posted by pwalhx
I am not sure why people are so desperate for a drink and food on such a short flight. It really isnt needed. Trouble is people have grown to expect them rather than think do I really need or want.
Possibly you don't travel on business.

Flight outwards at 0800, return at 1900.

What this really means is up at 0530, out of house (quietly please) by 0600 before the family are up, 1 hour drive to airport, get delayed, arrive 0715, check-in and security, into lounge at 0740 just as pax being called to gate.

Arrive 1000 local (one hour time change), storm out of airport into taxi to office, get there 1050. Everyone else sat round meeting table and we're off by 1100.

"A late start so we'll work through lunch".

Try to finish for 1700 but too many last second things not discussed. Taxi sat waiting outside. Away at 1715 into evening rush hour. Finally arrive airport 1810. Long security queue, to gate at 1840 just as pax being called.

Land back at 1900 local. Into car, pay fortune at car park exit, 1 hour home, pull up at 2030. Family have eaten. Dishes in dishwasher.

Now where was there a chance in all that for a bite to eat, a pleasant drink, ec. That's right - in the plane.

Seriously, all, this is the market that makes up your core business. Can you see why in-flight catering makes one prefer a carrier that provides it ? Or why we despair when people, particularly airline beancounters, say it "isn't needed".
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 00:07
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50mins! last two i did were around 35min airborne. with 10 mins up and pre landing, that left 10-15mins for service with up to 98pax.
The absolute stars of CC operating between JER and LGW manage a Club Europe light meal, and a snack and drink service in Traveller, in 35mins with up to 140 pax on board!!

Agreed that more is needed than a shot of water, especially at peak business times.
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 00:39
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WHBM I see your point to a certain extent apart from the fact that you believe your eating habits/schedule (whatever you want to call it) is the airlines problem. You are old enough and ugly enough, i'm sure, to look after your own dietery needs.
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 05:24
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It doesn't matter how short the flight is, it's nice to be able to relax and have a coffee or something before reaching my destination and starting work again! Maybe next time I should take a flask with me as it's not the airlines problem to cater for my dietary needs!
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 10:11
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Totally agree with Jerboy.

We are not talking U2 prices here either for ET seats so upping the product delivered is worth considering - I too am often in a situation where sitting on the aircraft home is the first change I've had to eat all day - be nice if that was factored in, a snack bag with a sandwich takes as long to distribute as the current one with a small pack of crisps!
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 10:15
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Not quite getting there, am I ..... ?

You are old enough and ugly enough, i'm sure, to look after your own dietery needs.
Well that's true of anywhere in life. At our office where we have customer meetings, we always offer nice coffee, biscuits, something at lunchtime, etc. We don't say to people who turn up (often by BA domestics, by the way, and thus foodless) "Hey, you should look after yourself, there's a caff round the corner, we're a business not a restaurant ..." and similar extensions of this discussion. Because if I said it like that then we soon wouldn't have any customers, and/or the Chairman would rapidly be having a meeting with me at which refreshments would definitely NOT be served !

To get back to the original point, it was about sevice on LCY-AMS, and cym wrote that they would rather take pax from Cityjet rather than the other way round. And if you look back in PPRuNe a few months you'll find notes from me about a trip on exactly this route, where, BA Exec Card notwithstanding, I had chosen Cityjet. They had been notably cheaper, and provided drinks and a snack both ways. So what more do you get from BA for the extra ?
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