BA Cityflyer

[pwalhx]

WHBM I travel on business all the time and am very familiar with the scenario you paint of early mornings and late nights. My point was on very short flights i.e. 30-45 minutes I personally do not see the need for a drink or a snack, however we can agree to disagree on that point.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by pwalhx

My point was on very short flights i.e. 30-45 minutes I personally do not see the need for a drink or a snack.

Indeed, although I would finish off by pointing out that a "30-45 minute flight" is actually a wheels-up to wheels-down measurement, which may be fine for calculating airframe hours, but for the passenger the total experience on such a flight is entering airport premises to leaving airport premises, which on such a "very short" flight is typically 2 to 3 hours.

Yes, I know the time being processed at the airport is (most fortunately) a bit less at LCY

[pwalhx]

Which kind of reinforces the fact if you so wish you have time for a drink or food before you fly.

[DutchBird-757]

You can't compare our service to that of a LGW/LHR flight. You can do a proper service but just not with 2 cabin cew on a full flight. After many arguments the decision has been made to stick with 2 cc on short/full flights thus the service had to be reduced. Was on a full LHR-AMS the other week with 5 or 6 c/c! Not so difficult to do a service then.

But still I would pick an E-Jet over the RJ any day in terms of comfort. And yes, I am biased.... At least you'll get more flexibility when they go up to six flights a day soon!

[AirLCY]

They still offer a croissant for breakfast though, shame no tea / coffee / bar though. Is it just for AMS as the rest still seem to have hot breakfast?

[goerring]

Re: BACF Gatwick

Skipness in reply,

1. As far as I understand BACF could fly out of Gatwick as long as the aircraft ( Embraer ) they flew had less than 100 seats.

NB. BACF Embraer 190s have 98 seats.

This restriction is embodied in the Scope industrial agreement.

As an aside.... this agreement is why when BA Cityflyer(2) began operating in 2007 , flying RJ100s ( 110 seats ) it had to base its crew in Edinburgh until agreement could be made during the coffee break that LCY was not LHR or LGW and that BACF could fly 110 seat aircraft out of London with London ( but not mainline ) crews.


2. Again if BA or a BA subsiduary operated a "sub fleet" out if Gatwick then anything over 100 seats needs mainline crew unless scope is renegotiated or ignored.

[BAladdy]

BACF VCE Charter S11

According to VCE airports online timetable

http://www.veniceairport.it/media/fop/orariovoli_en.pdf

BACF will be operating charter flights from STN and GLA to VCE during S11, timetable below. Info taken from VCE timetable.

Glasgow to Venice

BA4543 GLA 05:35 VCE 09:55 6 (28MAY11-09JUL11, 23JUL11-22OCT11)

BA4544 VCE 10:45 GLA 13:05 6 (04JUN11-09JUL11, 23JUL11-22OCT11)

London Stansted to Venice

BA4539 STN 10:05 VCE 13:10 6 (28MAY11-17SEP11)

BA4540 VCE 13:55 STN 15:00 6 (04JUN11-24SEP11)

Anyone know who these are being operated for??

Also see that BACF are operating a Saturday Charter to PMI and Sunday charter to NBE

[Oceanman]

Venice charter

We are booked on the Glasgow - Venice flights. It is a charter by Royal Caribbean to join Voyager of the Seas in Venice.

[BAladdy]

It is good to see BACF expanding there charter program.

I just hope that there weekend charter operation doesn't impact on the reliability of there LCY scheduled operation

[AirLCY]

I guess they have to do something with the planes when LCY is closed...

[BAladdy]

I guess they have to do something with the planes when LCY is closed...

I totally agree and it is the perfect way to increase revenue.

It appears that most of the charter flights are to operate on a Saturday with some flights on a Sunday morning. I just hope that BACF have a available spare aircraft on a Sunday. Just in case one of the charter picks up a tech, weather or ATC delay.

[AirLCY]

I guess that's no different to them having the delay on a scheduled service though really, they use Titan to help them out occasionally I think.

[Lord Molton Brown]

Well moving off thread, I am sure most of our BACF friends and ex - colleagues, must be looking at the on going concerns of pay and conditions at Flybe. Apart from wearing a comfortable and smart uniform, how is life within your company? Is everyone happy there? Are you overworked and underpaid as a wholly owned subsiduary of BA, do you feel you ought to be paid the same salary as Mainline? Do you have the same issue that Flybe pilots seem to have? One can only assume that life is fantastic on your side and everyone is happy, by the lack of input. I don't really care, but am just curious.

Any thoughts?

[marlowe]

Life is fabulous over at BACF my Lord.

[DutchBird-757]

From May 3rd EDI will see 8 or even 9 daily LCY flights to cater for increased demand. GLA will already be up to 5 a day.

To accomodate these extra flights an Atlantic Airways RJ85 will be wet leased until delivery of the last E190 in June. It will operate the CPH route.

[RJ100]

Lord M. Brown.

The issues we face at BACF are the same that we faced at Connect, CitiExpress and all other incarnations of this company.

i.e POOR Pay, same management style (although they claim to care & have started several idea's and ways to appear all touchy feely).

Pay negotiations started... if an acceptable offer is not received many feel it is now time to put our feet down and say enough is enough. However...... we will have to wait and see what transpires.

And yes we are still looked upon as the poor stepchild of BA.

RJ.

[Skipness One Echo]

So.....is it understood that in the current incarnation with the current Ts & Cs at the end of the large capital investment, is CFE trading profitably?

[dublindispatch]

And they doing a charter flight into DUB Thursday

[towser]

There is a charter out of Dublin on Thursday night to BHX. Can't tell you who its for though I'm afraid.

[dublindispatch]

Its for the WWF Tour