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I think a reasonably priced double daily, single class, forget business or anything like that...would work. The numbers on the London routes should surely support something like that.
Now who could operate it? If only there was an Irish airline, already with a presence in Cork, with an aircraft certified for LCY....
Now who could operate it? If only there was an Irish airline, already with a presence in Cork, with an aircraft certified for LCY....
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Are there 50 people a day who would be prepared to pay for an early arrival into London? Probably
Is there anything else that could profitably be done with an aircraft of that size? Probably Not
At the moment, London has less capacity than it did even before the Easyjet/Ryanair battle on the Gatwick route. Of course, the upside of that is that Aer Lingus and Ryanair are getting healthy yields on the Cork-London route.
The best bet for a properly early service to London would probably be if Aer Lingus did decide to launch a Gatwick service. But there's no sign of them expanding anywhere at the moment, never mind in Cork, so that's only going to happen by cutting other routes and I don't think any of us really wants to see that.
Is there anything else that could profitably be done with an aircraft of that size? Probably Not
At the moment, London has less capacity than it did even before the Easyjet/Ryanair battle on the Gatwick route. Of course, the upside of that is that Aer Lingus and Ryanair are getting healthy yields on the Cork-London route.
The best bet for a properly early service to London would probably be if Aer Lingus did decide to launch a Gatwick service. But there's no sign of them expanding anywhere at the moment, never mind in Cork, so that's only going to happen by cutting other routes and I don't think any of us really wants to see that.
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On the Shannon website today:
Lanzarote Jetmagic GX342 21-11-2009 17:40 Cancelled
Wtf?
Lanzarote Jetmagic GX342 21-11-2009 17:40 Cancelled
Wtf?
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Scotland / GLASGOW
Unless Ryanair are inloved in some elaborate bluff (entirely possible), then from next summer Shannon will have lost its 2 Scottish routes: Prestwick and Edinburgh. Both currently operated on a 4 times weekly basis.
Surely a Cork to Glasgow route is more of a no-brainer than ever!
I know Aer Lingus have maxed out the utilisation of their Cork based aircraft next summer. But could they squeeze a W out of a Dublin based aircraft say 4 days a week:
Dublin - Glasgow - Cork - Glasgow - Dublin
Other contenders for the route could be Flybe (but currently no presence at Cork), Easyjet (not likely to touch Ireland with a barge pole after last time), Aer Arann (it's complicated), Flyglobespan (unlikely), or Wizzair (incongruous with its Eastern European strategy), BMI(baby), Air Southwest....
Surely a Cork to Glasgow route is more of a no-brainer than ever!
I know Aer Lingus have maxed out the utilisation of their Cork based aircraft next summer. But could they squeeze a W out of a Dublin based aircraft say 4 days a week:
Dublin - Glasgow - Cork - Glasgow - Dublin
Other contenders for the route could be Flybe (but currently no presence at Cork), Easyjet (not likely to touch Ireland with a barge pole after last time), Aer Arann (it's complicated), Flyglobespan (unlikely), or Wizzair (incongruous with its Eastern European strategy), BMI(baby), Air Southwest....
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Aer Arann briefly started Cork Prestwick after Ryanair withdrew in Nov 2008 but suspended bookings almost immediatedly. Cork Glasgow might have worked. Loganair operated the route for years but were probably undermined by the cheap fares on Shannon Prestiwick.
In general it'll be interesting to observe the travel habits of Cork people who drove or bussed it to Shannon to save a few euro now that many of the Ryanair Will they fly from Cork or take the longer drive to Dublin where there are plenty of cheap Ryanair flights.
On the other hand they might opt to spend their weekends at home and give up flying altogeher!
In general it'll be interesting to observe the travel habits of Cork people who drove or bussed it to Shannon to save a few euro now that many of the Ryanair Will they fly from Cork or take the longer drive to Dublin where there are plenty of cheap Ryanair flights.
On the other hand they might opt to spend their weekends at home and give up flying altogeher!
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Think Cork-Glasgow has got to be a runner due to the unfortunate events at Shannon. There is already a large range of destinations from Cork and for destinations without direct services, a cheap flight to Dublin will do the trick
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Aer Lingus have stated that there "could be a gap in the short haul market in SNN in March 2010" so lets not rule out EI launching more routes ex SNN themselves....
Aer Lingus planning to outsource jobs, staff groups claim - The Irish Times - Fri, Nov 20, 2009
In relation to Shannon airport, Mr Corneille said Aer Lingus remained committed to preserve the region as an important catchment area in its network, but said that losses at Shannon are a grave concern.
“We are looking at a variety of options of how we can secure services throughout the year,” Mr Corneille said, adding that there may be a gap in the market for short-haul operations in March 2010.
“We are looking at a variety of options of how we can secure services throughout the year,” Mr Corneille said, adding that there may be a gap in the market for short-haul operations in March 2010.
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Cork is profitable for Aer Lingus, management told everyone down there that jobs were safe because the base performs well. Starting up similar routes at Shannon seems very unlikely, they'd have to be very careful not to dilute their own yields at Cork and even if they did launch somewhere like AMS there would be no KLM codeshare which would be needed to make the route work. Also, if Ryanair couldn't make money from Shannon without massive discounts how could Aer Lingus?
I think it's just more spin from management, telling everyone that if they get their cost cuts, short-haul expansion at Shannon could happen. It's not like Aer Lingus has had a lot of good publicity in the Shannon region recently.
I think it's just more spin from management, telling everyone that if they get their cost cuts, short-haul expansion at Shannon could happen. It's not like Aer Lingus has had a lot of good publicity in the Shannon region recently.
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Cork is profitable for Aer Lingus, management told everyone down there that jobs were safe because the base performs well. Starting up similar routes at Shannon seems very unlikely, they'd have to be very careful not to dilute their own yields at Cork and even if they did launch somewhere like AMS there would be no KLM codeshare which would be needed to make the route work. Also, if Ryanair couldn't make money from Shannon without massive discounts how could Aer Lingus?
I think it's just more spin from management, telling everyone that if they get their cost cuts, short-haul expansion at Shannon could happen. It's not like Aer Lingus has had a lot of good publicity in the Shannon region recently.
I think it's just more spin from management, telling everyone that if they get their cost cuts, short-haul expansion at Shannon could happen. It's not like Aer Lingus has had a lot of good publicity in the Shannon region recently.
So that's why Ryanair had 6 aircraft based at shannon in peak, because there was not a SINGLE CENT of profit or general success to be had? They might try claim now that it was a complete failure, but the level of activity they had makes it difficult to acheive. Last year SNN had the highest ancilliarly spend of all the Ryanair bases and the airline paid for a party for the cabin crew and paid them bonus'. And all because they never made a single cent?
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Starting up similar routes at Shannon seems very unlikely
Glasgow, Edinburgh, Brussels, Berlin, Dusseldorf, Krakow, Milan, Venice, Gran Canaria etc...
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And with the above post in mind it is hard for me to see Ryanair turn her back away from snn come next summer. I cannot at all accept that Ryanair would turn it's back on profitable summer routes like Malaga, Faro, Alicante, Palma, Beauvais etc no matter what is or what is not bookable on the FR website for next year and then just hand goodies like that over to a competitor like Aer Lingus? Not on your nelly! In spite of the posturing and waffle in the news section of the Ryanair website I just cannot see the kind of FR withdrawal from snn that is suggested and for what it is worth, and that is not much, I do wish snn well in this regard and I do hope there remains a meaningful FR presence in snn - whether that means by snn based aeroplanes or aeroplanes from overseas bases is probably irrelevant from the passenger point of view.
What I cant get is why MO'L refuses to put a second aeroplane at Cork and begin some meaningful new routes. For a start there ought to be a ready market there when EI quits Berlin next March. Also, I think the Ryanair brand would work probably better than it did with EI to Madrid - better chance of getting both Irish and Spanish passengers. I am talking here about just x2/7 flights a week, obviously it would be better if they were Thurs/Fri and Sunday options from the weekender point of view which I am sure would also help to get in a higher yielding fare from the FR point of view.
Leo Hairy Camel, can you ask your associates why the chiefs in the Ryanair company chose to hate Cork so much? I would truly like to know why.
What I cant get is why MO'L refuses to put a second aeroplane at Cork and begin some meaningful new routes. For a start there ought to be a ready market there when EI quits Berlin next March. Also, I think the Ryanair brand would work probably better than it did with EI to Madrid - better chance of getting both Irish and Spanish passengers. I am talking here about just x2/7 flights a week, obviously it would be better if they were Thurs/Fri and Sunday options from the weekender point of view which I am sure would also help to get in a higher yielding fare from the FR point of view.
Leo Hairy Camel, can you ask your associates why the chiefs in the Ryanair company chose to hate Cork so much? I would truly like to know why.
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Starting up similar routes at Shannon seems very unlikely, they'd have to be very careful not to dilute their own yields at Cork and even if they did launch somewhere like AMS there would be no KLM codeshare which would be needed to make the route work. Also, if Ryanair couldn't make money from Shannon without massive discounts how could Aer Lingus?
I think it's just more spin from management, telling everyone that if they get their cost cuts, short-haul expansion at Shannon could happen. It's not like Aer Lingus has had a lot of good publicity in the Shannon region recently
I think it's just more spin from management, telling everyone that if they get their cost cuts, short-haul expansion at Shannon could happen. It's not like Aer Lingus has had a lot of good publicity in the Shannon region recently
A lot will depend on whether the cost reduction plan currently under negotiation can be pushed through or not. If the unions resist it strongly and/or strike, management will simply transfer resources to bases outside the ROI, and Shannon can look forward to a further reduction in EI services, rather than expansion.
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Budget collapse
Interesting to see what the fall out from Budget Travel collapse will be in Cork.
There will be a shortage of capacity to Las Palmas and Grand Canaria in particular and no flight to Heraklion.
I presume EI will take up the slack from the AGP, FAO and Reus Charters although many travellers still prefer the security of the package tour to the do it yourself approach.
Unlikely to se Aeropostal and Eurocypria back next year.
There will be a shortage of capacity to Las Palmas and Grand Canaria in particular and no flight to Heraklion.
I presume EI will take up the slack from the AGP, FAO and Reus Charters although many travellers still prefer the security of the package tour to the do it yourself approach.
Unlikely to se Aeropostal and Eurocypria back next year.
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As far as I can see, Ryanair will press ahead with its scaling back until Shannon stands up to them and the only way to do that is to announce a replacement base for another airline, ie Aer Lingus at which point Ryanair would reverse all plans to cut back.
Remember when Started to get pushy in the early 90s when Knock airport said it would introduce an airport development fee, the ultimatums etc. The management advised that had a replacement service secured, and that at the time was most likely either Manx Airlines (with an ATP) or Virgin Express at that time ex Gatwick!
Shannon need to ensure that they have Aer Lingus waiting in the wings. Otherwise the whole thing is a disaster for Shannon.
If Shannon do secure EI and FR reinstate the routes, I would think Cork will be in for a lot of extra business, As Ryanair (in a Manchester V Leeds and Liverpool style approach) will aim to damage the new operator.
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Remember when Started to get pushy in the early 90s when Knock airport said it would introduce an airport development fee, the ultimatums etc. The management advised that had a replacement service secured, and that at the time was most likely either Manx Airlines (with an ATP) or Virgin Express at that time ex Gatwick!
Shannon need to ensure that they have Aer Lingus waiting in the wings. Otherwise the whole thing is a disaster for Shannon.
If Shannon do secure EI and FR reinstate the routes, I would think Cork will be in for a lot of extra business, As Ryanair (in a Manchester V Leeds and Liverpool style approach) will aim to damage the new operator.
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That type of Predatory behaviour is destructive in the long run. It results in airlines being afraid of operating to Ireland as they firmly expect FR to react.
Great to see that the ORK board havent gone into immature glee over FR playing games with Shannon.
Great to see that the ORK board havent gone into immature glee over FR playing games with Shannon.
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Today's EI706, Cork to Birmingham, returned to the field at Cork around ten minutes after takeoff today for a safe landing on runway 17 around 1.30 pm. There was a full turnout of appliances by the Cork Airport Fire Service. Heard some official say the action was precipitated by a bird strike but have no confirmation.
Glad it all turned out okay for everyone involved though it looked a bit serious from where I was standing. Am I right in remembering there was a lot of bird activity at Cork about two months ago - I seem to recall there were a good few strikes at the time?
Pretty quiet at Cork in recent times - just a few bizjets to upset the calm.
Glad it all turned out okay for everyone involved though it looked a bit serious from where I was standing. Am I right in remembering there was a lot of bird activity at Cork about two months ago - I seem to recall there were a good few strikes at the time?
Pretty quiet at Cork in recent times - just a few bizjets to upset the calm.
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Bye bye baby
BMIbaby seem set to axe Manchester from Summer 2010
Music to ears of Aer Lingus, and to a lesser extent Ryanair, but bad news for the airport and the future of BMIbaby at Cork. They will now only serve East Midlands, having at various stages operated services to Gatwick, Birmingham, Manchester, Durham Tees Valley, Cardiff (?), Leeds (BMI Regional), ...
So Aer Lingus has won this battle, having decided a few years back to muscle in on the MAN and BHX routes, when they could have instead launched new destinations from Cork, and that under the route incentive scheme.
But all is fair in love and war (and competition). It's just that people often harp on about Ryanair pushing Easyjet out of Cork / Ireland. But no one ever gives comparable attention to Easyjet chasing BMIbaby off Cork to Gatwick, Aer Lingus chasing JetMagic off Nice, Milan, Barcelona, Alicante, Rome - and so forth.
Music to ears of Aer Lingus, and to a lesser extent Ryanair, but bad news for the airport and the future of BMIbaby at Cork. They will now only serve East Midlands, having at various stages operated services to Gatwick, Birmingham, Manchester, Durham Tees Valley, Cardiff (?), Leeds (BMI Regional), ...
So Aer Lingus has won this battle, having decided a few years back to muscle in on the MAN and BHX routes, when they could have instead launched new destinations from Cork, and that under the route incentive scheme.
But all is fair in love and war (and competition). It's just that people often harp on about Ryanair pushing Easyjet out of Cork / Ireland. But no one ever gives comparable attention to Easyjet chasing BMIbaby off Cork to Gatwick, Aer Lingus chasing JetMagic off Nice, Milan, Barcelona, Alicante, Rome - and so forth.