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Old 26th Jul 2014, 10:26
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Isn't Knock privately owned and profitable? Hard to argue against it's existence in that case
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 10:30
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If it is then all the better! Sorry about that.

My point was I'd much prefer to have a situation where there was 3 main airports in the Republic all serving an array of destinations instead of a lot of them all fighting for the same routes.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 11:12
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Dublin, Cork and Galway would be my choice based on geography/population.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 14:37
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Is there any possibly of any expansion from EI / EIR for S15 especially with FR cutting back on routes in favour of SNN. Looks like there is not much capacity without either having to base additional aircraft.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 15:35
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Well if you were to take the politics out of everything, Cork Airport may not have been built at all, and probably not where it was built..
And as for Shannon moving from the Foynes? Another political move. All airports created were with political backing, bar Knock.

While Ryanair did chase Easyjet off Cork - Gatwick, it was Easyjet that chased BMIbaby off the same route first, ultimately getting rid of that great little airline from Cork in the process.
I'm not sure they can really be compared, bmibaby's Gatwick operation attempt failed ridiculously they launched LGW-ORK/PRG/MAD to name but a few the whole venture bar Cork lasted the Winter, they continued the LGW route from Cork, daily using a Manchester plane - easyJet arrive early January 2005 with double daily services, much better option for travelling passengers. bmibaby it should be remembered operated from Cork to Birmingham, Cardiff, Durham Tees Valley, East Midlands and Manchester at one stage or another well past easyJet's exit up until around 2010, the airline closed two years later.

Is there any possibly of any expansion from EI / EIR for S15 especially with FR cutting back on routes in favour of SNN. Looks like there is not much capacity without either having to base additional aircraft.
Would definitely think so in S15, Stobart aren't going to lose money for the sake of it. Not with there current management team.

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Old 26th Jul 2014, 17:58
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I'm not blaming SNN, I'm pitying them for doing it again. Haha, that's a pitiful response. You're ignoring a dangerous issue for SNN and seem obvlious to the fact that one of RE's main routes which supports business, is under threat from Shannon.
There's no reason to pity Shannon - they're on a winner either way. If the FR expansion works that's great, if it doesn't and they blow all the government's millions (once again) they'll be back to the government cap in hand before you know it begging for more cash. And they'll get it too.

It's a sad state of affairs but this is where we are with Shannon.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 20:24
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Wouldn't be surprised if some future Government ask the DAA to take them back again.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 20:42
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I think the employees of Cork airport should watch with interest how Shannon will erode the terms and conditions of its staff.

Despite the comments posted by people Shannon is on its own.
There will be no bailout.

The same will apply to Cork when its time comes.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 21:17
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Most people know FR were only waiting to go back to SNN and it will probably come at a big price to SNN long term and while ORK is in decline I think if I was airport management I would prefer that to FR calling the shots.

The FR MAN-SNN is an interesting announcement. We will never know if SNN is subsidising this route or FR are paying 'full' usage fees. The FR SNN-MAN is potentially disastrous for SNN, if SNN-MAN is pulled by EI the base may be at risk, the schedule for the remaining flights may become less attractive, so a lot will depend on the performance of BHX. I find it hard to believe that SNN would wilfully subsidise a route already served.
Aer Lingus Regional has made gains against FR at DUB, held its own at ORK, so it remains to be seen how SNN will play out.
Full or reduced, I don't think FR will care.
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Old 26th Jul 2014, 21:44
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And is that all that matters at Cork to the people whom are employed there - money? How many of them give a damn about the airport other than what arrives in their bank account of a Friday?

There have been some excellent posts on here about Cork in the last day or two and from a consciousness raising point of view it is important and, yes, this is an aviation forum, but it all needs to be uttered again and again on other forms of mediallike other social media, newspapers, radio, TV - not just on here.

You know, when you stop and think about it, it has been unbelievable what the present government has done to Cork by giving snn their so called independence essentially in order to screw Cork and to screw Knock and we have our friend above worrying about staff terms and conditions.

The Aer Rianta/DAA/CAA staff have sucked hard on the other tit of state for nearly two generations and they were only ever out for number one and many cared little about the airport. Whatever I may say about the parties at snn at least they were unrelenting in their support for their airport.

Nearly two generations at Cork Airport and the place is in a worse state than ever before and as for the Cork based TDs of Government and Opposition parties - they have all most equally served Cork Airport so appallingly it is just so unbelievable it is beyond credulity.

I hope Cork's new Marketing Manager, Ms Gackowska, knows exactly what she is now dealing with at Cork Airport and it is much more of a basic task than she may realise - doing potential deals with airlines comes down the line, first task might be something like the airport independently securing a High Loader for ad hoc freight flights and a set of steps that can reach a widebody. Nearly twenty years Cork could handle Aer Lingus 747s on Lourdes flights and now in 2014 the airport cannot. Can you believe it! What a farce!

And, it has come to my attention just in the last few days that there may be another unbelievable limiting factor at Cork but for now investigations are in hand.
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Old 27th Jul 2014, 07:29
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nOC-KUN isn't being withdrawn it only operates seasonally and will return next March / april
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Old 31st Jul 2014, 13:46
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Cork losing a Ryanair aircraft for the winter.
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Old 1st Aug 2014, 23:04
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It could be a difficult winter at Cork with a further decline in traffic likely.
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 13:22
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What does that leave?

3x EI A320 (with a fourth resting, does it do any additional flights/charters?)
1x FR 738 ( I assume there will be flights from other bases)
2 x RE AT7

Are there any regular charters planned?
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 15:31
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It's actually quite sad to see the state ORK is in and worse state it will be in in winter.
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 16:29
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Brian, it'll be closer to 2 planes flying and one resting if some predictions come true.

No Sun Charters planned although presumably the ski charters will operate. What's happening at Cork shows that reducing frequency and capacity creates a domino affect and reduces demand still further.

The theory that yields will increase if capacity is reduced only holds true if there is no easy alternative. The Motorway system now means that Dublin Airports' reach extends to every part of the Island and it's now turning the screw on every other airport including the 3 in the North.
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 16:42
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Yes indeed when the motorway is finished connecting Galway the catchment area for Shannon will improve I believe it will recommence construction later this year should be good for new route expansion .
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Old 2nd Aug 2014, 17:06
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Heard an ei guy be 2 planes flying full time for winter.
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 22:37
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Don't know where that EI rumour came from because its well off the mark, 3 planes flying the Winter programme - 4th out of service as has been the case the last four years. For S15 it doesn't look like SNN-AGP will return with EI, SNN-FAO ''under review'' - So could be more growth next Summer, hopefully for EI. I wouldn't be expecting any Winter growth for the next few years in the current climate.
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 23:01
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EI-DVM

On an entirely unrelated note is the RetroJet now based in Cork? Pretty cool if so.
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