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the original design for the new arrivals building was similar to the departures but it was re-designed to save money and incorporate several energy saving ideas (the angled roof is covered in P.V. cells for example). It's supposed to open in spring (don't know any exact dates). There will be a covered walkway along the whole of the edge of the apron (airside) connecting all aircraft stands and the new terminals. I don't know about landside but i understand that the next phase is to re design the road, landscape the whole landside area etc so a covered walkway seems like a good idea.
the original design for the new arrivals building was similar to the departures but it was re-designed to save money and incorporate several energy saving ideas (the angled roof is covered in P.V. cells for example). It's supposed to open in spring (don't know any exact dates). There will be a covered walkway along the whole of the edge of the apron (airside) connecting all aircraft stands and the new terminals. I don't know about landside but i understand that the next phase is to re design the road, landscape the whole landside area etc so a covered walkway seems like a good idea.
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New terminal and finishing work
Possible Consequences and Canberra 97.
You are both virtually on the nose with the completion work indicated, from what I'm led to believe however the new arrivals Terminal was supposed to be up and running by April and the start of the summer schedule (it is bigger than it looks in the photo's kindly supplied) - I would hope that will be the case, but I'm not sure it will - the terminal may end up with a delay of 2-3 months.
The design does include many energy saving idea's and renewable energy at that, and is supposed to be extremely green - the design has been changed considerably from what was anticipated with cost a big part of the re-design I gather.
The road/car-parks and layout I believe may be changed, and the traffic light controlled junction improvements (I'm not convinced) are supposed to make access better, but may well make matters worse and as for the covered walkways, any will be a great improvement -
I would hope that any vehicular access improvements will extend to a drop off/pick up point. I've picked up/dropped there a few times using the car-parking facilities, yet there are any number of unattended vehicles adjacent to the Terminal with no-one to move vehicles on (unlike last year) - rediculous.
Lets hope things take a turn for the better at BOH over the next 2 years, I believe it can be extremely flexible, successful, and has the ability to attract more services and routes (come on marketing) - yes Ryanair may well be the limiting factor, in relation to additional airlines/carriers but MAN got fed up with them, and it may well be that MAG (BOH) eventually get fed up with them, only time will tell, I only wish the DUB flight was resurrected, its load factors were always high.
You are both virtually on the nose with the completion work indicated, from what I'm led to believe however the new arrivals Terminal was supposed to be up and running by April and the start of the summer schedule (it is bigger than it looks in the photo's kindly supplied) - I would hope that will be the case, but I'm not sure it will - the terminal may end up with a delay of 2-3 months.
The design does include many energy saving idea's and renewable energy at that, and is supposed to be extremely green - the design has been changed considerably from what was anticipated with cost a big part of the re-design I gather.
The road/car-parks and layout I believe may be changed, and the traffic light controlled junction improvements (I'm not convinced) are supposed to make access better, but may well make matters worse and as for the covered walkways, any will be a great improvement -
I would hope that any vehicular access improvements will extend to a drop off/pick up point. I've picked up/dropped there a few times using the car-parking facilities, yet there are any number of unattended vehicles adjacent to the Terminal with no-one to move vehicles on (unlike last year) - rediculous.
Lets hope things take a turn for the better at BOH over the next 2 years, I believe it can be extremely flexible, successful, and has the ability to attract more services and routes (come on marketing) - yes Ryanair may well be the limiting factor, in relation to additional airlines/carriers but MAN got fed up with them, and it may well be that MAG (BOH) eventually get fed up with them, only time will tell, I only wish the DUB flight was resurrected, its load factors were always high.
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Ryanair have added an extra rotation to Palma on Monday 1730 1755 taking the service to 5 a week and also an extra flight to Faro on Wednesday 1135 1200 taking the service to 3 a week , both start from May
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FR only fell out of favour with MAN and not the whole of MAG but needs must for FR and they've gone back with a worse deal than that was offered when they did their tactical withdrawal.
Remember that East Midlands is also part of MAG and there's a decent sized base for them there. If you want FR (or other airlines) to thrive, then it's not just down to BOH's marketing department.... it's down to the BOH catchment area to use those services that are provided and at a sufficiently high enough yield for airlines to maintain and/or increase services.
Remember that East Midlands is also part of MAG and there's a decent sized base for them there. If you want FR (or other airlines) to thrive, then it's not just down to BOH's marketing department.... it's down to the BOH catchment area to use those services that are provided and at a sufficiently high enough yield for airlines to maintain and/or increase services.
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That's excellent if KLM come in! Once they are in, Air France will come in too! One advantage I know that would personally benefit me is the long haul flights are quite often cheaper with KLM/Air France (and many other European airlines) and if I could fly out of Bournemouth and get my connecting flight in one of the hubs - absolutely fantastic!
Just out of interest, how many - roughly - departures per day does Bournemouth need to deliver the pax that they hoped for with the new terminal?
Not sure what plane they'd use though?
Just out of interest, how many - roughly - departures per day does Bournemouth need to deliver the pax that they hoped for with the new terminal?
Not sure what plane they'd use though?
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That's excellent if KLM come in! Once they are in, Air France will come in too! One advantage I know that would personally benefit me is the long haul flights are quite often cheaper with KLM/Air France (and many other European airlines) and if I could fly out of Bournemouth and get my connecting flight in one of the hubs - absolutely fantastic!
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Ryanair are making a big return to MAN in April on what appears to be MAN terms as they not as good as the original rates were and are promising big things
So lets see what happens
Ian B
So lets see what happens
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KLM are Air France, last year I flew CWL/AMS/CDG/SIN, CWL/AMS on a turquoise Fokker 70 yet on an AF flight number!
For connection purposes KLM like to serve their commuter routes, most recent new UK route was LPL, a minimum of 3 times daily, if KLM don't do SOU I very much doubt there will be enough business to/from BOH for 3 jets daily!
For connection purposes KLM like to serve their commuter routes, most recent new UK route was LPL, a minimum of 3 times daily, if KLM don't do SOU I very much doubt there will be enough business to/from BOH for 3 jets daily!
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If anything KLM would resume operations out of SOU and IMHO would not consider BOH, its just a rumour by aviation entusiasts eager to see new airlines at BOH nothing else.
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http://www.bournemouthairport.com/bo...t/MostImproved
If the link doesn't work then you can access it through the Bournemouth airport website in the press release section.
If the link doesn't work then you can access it through the Bournemouth airport website in the press release section.
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Contrary to some comments on here (and BOH aviation development can use these ideas to present to KLM) I actually firmly believe it would work better from BOH.
The reasons why?:
1 No direct competition
2 Strong leisure based demand - this is key to long haul connections that KLM would be pitching (not necessarily a direct demand to/fro AMS)
3 No threat of any low cost airline on this route (aircraft too large, frequency not appropriate)
4 Sizeable Asian community (Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese) ideal for long-haul connections
5 Bournemouth has a transitory population (Meaning their propensity to fly to/fro VFR purposes is stronger than other parts of UK)
6 Wealth in the inner BOH catchment is 3 times greater than SOU's innner catchment
7 SOU catchment overlaps KLM operation from Heathrow
8 In-bound potential from overseas to BOH accessing the local area and the surrounds is stronger than a lot of regional airports -wealthy language schools (2nd only to Brighton in volume), Jurassic coast, new forest popular with germans/dutch
9 Apron space (lacking at SOU for the basing of an over-night operation)
10 Improved weather and runway prospects for better reliability/on time performance
11 local Ground handling facilities
12 local tech handling facilities
13 Good value fuel supplier
14 Servisair globe ground - looking for more services, so cost should be economical compared to SOU
Need i go on?
The reasons why?:
1 No direct competition
2 Strong leisure based demand - this is key to long haul connections that KLM would be pitching (not necessarily a direct demand to/fro AMS)
3 No threat of any low cost airline on this route (aircraft too large, frequency not appropriate)
4 Sizeable Asian community (Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, Chinese) ideal for long-haul connections
5 Bournemouth has a transitory population (Meaning their propensity to fly to/fro VFR purposes is stronger than other parts of UK)
6 Wealth in the inner BOH catchment is 3 times greater than SOU's innner catchment
7 SOU catchment overlaps KLM operation from Heathrow
8 In-bound potential from overseas to BOH accessing the local area and the surrounds is stronger than a lot of regional airports -wealthy language schools (2nd only to Brighton in volume), Jurassic coast, new forest popular with germans/dutch
9 Apron space (lacking at SOU for the basing of an over-night operation)
10 Improved weather and runway prospects for better reliability/on time performance
11 local Ground handling facilities
12 local tech handling facilities
13 Good value fuel supplier
14 Servisair globe ground - looking for more services, so cost should be economical compared to SOU
Need i go on?
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I want to go to the airport by train?
No train services
I want to go the the airport by coach?
No National Express Coach services.
I want to travel to the airport by bus?
Only an hourly bus service that does not start until 7:30am
I want to travel to the airport by car?
Airport is miles away from the motorway network
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Well as usual I've ignored the pointless them and us SOU/BOH rock throwing.
However now we have from Nakata some rationale re KLM.
There are additional perspectives, which the airline and airport marketing guys understand very well. There are pros and cons as always...
Importantly:
1/ KLM is owned by Air France who have a so called long haul connection tie up through ORY from SOU using Flybe - although the schedules are very poor for the user (I've tried several times and failed to make it work)
2/ The KLM logical tie up with the Flybe SOU/AMS route may very well be prevented by the Flybe/AF deal, but I doubt it. AF will want to grow their prime hub first. KLM is the poor relation usually. Flybe fares are also in general about 20% higher than simialr flight times from London, which does not help a Flybe tie up.
3/ AMS airport management have a strategy to offer more routes than any other European hub - they have 50 new desinations on their list currently. I do not know if BOH is among them. But a look at Anna.aero top 300 European airports, take a look at those that are not served by AMS currently, it will give you a big clue.
4/ KLM and all European majors are in a fight for survival against the power of the Gulf carriers, who are busy winning all the long haul connecting traffic. Read any airline business magazine for details and see the current public spat between AEA and Qatar Airways for an indication.
5/ The European legacy carriers have one weapon, which is to drive as much regional traffic to their hubs, feeding as many of their long haul connections, as possible. The Gulf carriers can only really reach the medium and larger hubs. In the UK BA is rather stuffed because Emirates already opeartes from accross the (northern) UK, as well as Etihad and QR. But KLM and DLH are in a good position (no-regular business traveller likes AF because of the high French Strike risk)
6/So the real opportunity is for KLM and DLH, from new regional airports to steal from other European Legacy carriers, and from the Gulf Carriers traffic that would otherwise go long haul. DLH have a big runway slot problem at FRA, so would only go for premium routes, until the new runway opens, but SPL on the other hand has six runways and no significant slot problems. KLM will for sure be adding short haul destinations.
7/ Business travellers care about schedule, price, Frequent Flyer miles, time through the airport (which is why SOU, LCY and BOH are very good) and time to get home. Don't overplay the train/Motorway, its all about time - how long do I need to waste travelling? And nobody but the airport staff cares very much about airport bus services.
8/ As for the SOU/AMS route, I use this perhaps 3 weeks in four. there are lots of regular commuters. But in general fellow passengers seem to usually come from Winchester, Basingstoke, Chichester, Bournemouth, Poole, the New Forest, Portsmouth and Salisbury.
Hardly anyone it seems from Southampton itself.
FF
However now we have from Nakata some rationale re KLM.
There are additional perspectives, which the airline and airport marketing guys understand very well. There are pros and cons as always...
Importantly:
1/ KLM is owned by Air France who have a so called long haul connection tie up through ORY from SOU using Flybe - although the schedules are very poor for the user (I've tried several times and failed to make it work)
2/ The KLM logical tie up with the Flybe SOU/AMS route may very well be prevented by the Flybe/AF deal, but I doubt it. AF will want to grow their prime hub first. KLM is the poor relation usually. Flybe fares are also in general about 20% higher than simialr flight times from London, which does not help a Flybe tie up.
3/ AMS airport management have a strategy to offer more routes than any other European hub - they have 50 new desinations on their list currently. I do not know if BOH is among them. But a look at Anna.aero top 300 European airports, take a look at those that are not served by AMS currently, it will give you a big clue.
4/ KLM and all European majors are in a fight for survival against the power of the Gulf carriers, who are busy winning all the long haul connecting traffic. Read any airline business magazine for details and see the current public spat between AEA and Qatar Airways for an indication.
5/ The European legacy carriers have one weapon, which is to drive as much regional traffic to their hubs, feeding as many of their long haul connections, as possible. The Gulf carriers can only really reach the medium and larger hubs. In the UK BA is rather stuffed because Emirates already opeartes from accross the (northern) UK, as well as Etihad and QR. But KLM and DLH are in a good position (no-regular business traveller likes AF because of the high French Strike risk)
6/So the real opportunity is for KLM and DLH, from new regional airports to steal from other European Legacy carriers, and from the Gulf Carriers traffic that would otherwise go long haul. DLH have a big runway slot problem at FRA, so would only go for premium routes, until the new runway opens, but SPL on the other hand has six runways and no significant slot problems. KLM will for sure be adding short haul destinations.
7/ Business travellers care about schedule, price, Frequent Flyer miles, time through the airport (which is why SOU, LCY and BOH are very good) and time to get home. Don't overplay the train/Motorway, its all about time - how long do I need to waste travelling? And nobody but the airport staff cares very much about airport bus services.
8/ As for the SOU/AMS route, I use this perhaps 3 weeks in four. there are lots of regular commuters. But in general fellow passengers seem to usually come from Winchester, Basingstoke, Chichester, Bournemouth, Poole, the New Forest, Portsmouth and Salisbury.
Hardly anyone it seems from Southampton itself.
FF