ISLE OF MAN

[Cloud1]

I don't think competition would play a part, more the number of passengers involved and frequency on the route Ie are there later flights operating the same route etc, aircraft availability and Crew hours.

And I don't think that more disruption will be experienced as Flybe introduce more routes, it is rare at Exeter and thats my local. Flybe have a monopoly there.

Maybe it would be easier for Flybe to pull out of IOM altogether and let the ungrateful gits that moan about the service swim to the UK. Would that be better?

[j41cac]

Cloud one, its not about being ungrateful gits, but the need for a reliable airline to cater for the folk who fly for business on a daily basis.

Is it too much to ask for?

I've no problem with Fbe and appreciate their expanding service on the Island, but perhaps one step at a time instead of this robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario. Taking on so many routes before you've blinked without the backup on their huge network is bound to have problems.

[Cloud1]

Well as already discussed airlines cannot foresee everything and disruption can and will occur. Fact.

Whether its business travel or not is irrelevant. I am sure Flybe will, as they already do, make every effort to operate to the best of their ability.

Not sure about the ungrateful gits - someone actually contacted Flybe to ask for a refund of their Euromanx ticket and when Flybe said no, because they don't have it the poor Flybe agent got a mouth full. An IOM resident.......you might not be ungrateful but I know that they are out there!

[j41cac]

Well, theres always one!

Will Flybes fares level out after all this Euromanx mess blows over or will they no longer be the Islands Low Cost Airline, as they state?

[uncovered]

Snappysbits Snapped At

BHX-IOM - Apparently EASTERN lost over 40% of their pax to flybe in April (YOY), so maybe Flybe are seeing enough demand to support their announcement of double daily throughout the winter.

[Snappybits]

Snappysbits Snapped At..........

but is not bothered.


Indeed of course eastern have lost pax to Flybe , they would do at £4.69.

My point was that their double daily service did nothing for the route as a whole ie an 8% decrease on total passenger numbers.....uncover that for me ??

snaps snaps back

[Cloud1]

I guess it will be interesting when the double daily winter (BE) services start up. Generally speaking demand for air travel is lower during the winter however the business traffic may still warrant two daily flights plus T3 services.......when the load factors are revealed it might make interesting reading.

Does anyone know how IOM-SOU is going? Whether or not Flybe would consider putting it to daily....I don't believe its daily at the moment although feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

[j41cac]

Eastern might have lost but a few but not enough to see them off.

Flybe don't hold a good reputation at the moment on the BHX and i tell you i'd rather sip bubbles and meet my superiors than hang around waiting for something to happen with Flybe.

Eastern have a clean history for me and have never failed to impress with punctuality.

We need to keep some competition, even if the prices are high.

I know who'd I fly with.

[Tonyq]

I don't think that is a fair comment. The IOM pax were not victimised, or treated as lower priority.

I see that the first IOM-MAN today was three hours late back to IOM, arriving after the second flight. Why ?? Because FlyBe Ops sent the a/c (G-ECOC) to Southampton and back, presumably leaving all the punters hanging around at MAN.

Harking back to my post of 13th May.........this is becoming a bit of a habit guys.

I appreciate operational choices have to be made, but it's starting to look as if IOM pax are considered 'fair game' in FlyBe land............

Personally, I generally enjoy travelling with Flybe. Well on the way to my second free flight with Rewards4All, and good value if you plan ahead, but this is the second time in four days (that I know of) that IOM bound pax have been ed about.

Despite all the good media coverage FlyBe have had since the EMX collapse, many people are uncomfortable about them having 75% of the market and if this type of scenario happens too often and gets in the Manx press, it will damage all the good stuff that's been achieved

[FS01]

Great letter sent to local rag the other day... pax travelling back to IOM charged for excess baggage, 4 pax had one bag each at 26KG. So charged 6KG excess each, which at current rate worked out around 140GBP. Pax claim 'But we were allowed more with our Air NewZealand flight'. My question is how long have Air NewZealand been flying to IOM??? Typical IOM mentality

[Haven't a clue]

But if they'd booked Economy Plus they could have taken 9 bags each , each bag weighing up to 30kg. You get what you pay for. Pax usually forget this.

[Cloud1]

Actually its not 30 kgs per bag, its 30 kgs for the passenger. Its just that they can take up to 9 bags free of charge (total combined weight is still 30 kgs)

[Haven't a clue]

Then the small print must be tiny because when I've booked E+ I've been left with the impression that I could take a heap of luggage. The whole process needs some regulator intervention. BA say 1 bag at 23kg for Y, 2 for J and 3 for F. But the flights to "connect" to these flights be they BE or other have different criteria. The poor punter is being set up to be ripped off!

[lfc84]

[Capt. Horrendous]

Looking at their respective websites, Flybe, Easyjet & Bmi Baby have almost identical baggage policies and tarrifs. Jet 2 allow 17kg with similar excess fees. Ryanair have a 15kg allowance with £12 per kilo for excess.

[PAXboy]

The poor punter is being set up to be ripped off!

Eerrr - No! The punter has found them self in a changing commercial environment.

For a large number of reasons, nationalised carriers have gone, along with their way of taking you from one end of the earth to the other - with all of your baggage. The main reason that this has happened is because the pax wants to pay less money.

This is the place to state, "You get what you pay for" as well as "The customer is king" What the customer wants is to spend less money. The airlines have done their uttermost to ensure that is the case and the pax should now be thanking the airlines for their responsive manner to the needs of their customers.

[jetstreamtechrecords]

FlyBe are gonna give up their crazy attemt to kill Eastern on BHX this September and move back to single daily. Not enough volume for 2x Q400's even without Easterns 3xJ41 rotations. Instead they're going to do a single daily IOM BHD.

[ALLMCC]

If Flybe are considering doing IOM - BHD, they'll have their work cut out competing against Manx 2. Euromanx weren't able to.

[OltonPete]

Bhx-iom

jetstreamtechrecords

Certainly the April figures were a disaster and I can't believe that
they ever considered it to be a double daily Q400 route (it was
loaded for June for a brief period) unless they just presumed that
Eastern would disappear.

However double daily is still bookable as of now throughout Sept
and October. Is you source from the IOM end or flybe?

If correct they need to adjust the booking engine quickly even if it
is bank holiday.


Pete

[matspart3]

Presumably the Manx2 GLO-IOM has also taken its toll on the BHX route too?