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looking at all the AA cutbacks theyll certainly have planes and crew to spare. Spose it depends if there new CEO feels like punting on a new route while hes pulling back hard elsewhere
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IOMSpotter, you said:
Then you said:
Now you say:
Not a lot of certainty there, then?
Be nice to have LCY back as an option, but throwing an extra say 6000 seats a month at it will never work. Unless the price is right of course; and then it will never work....
IOM LCY here we come . Aer Arran 3x daily next month
3x rotations a day masses of IOM Gov. marketing support money behind it too I heard so maybe itll fly
Spose it depends if there new CEO feels like punting on a new route while hes pulling back hard elsewhere
Be nice to have LCY back as an option, but throwing an extra say 6000 seats a month at it will never work. Unless the price is right of course; and then it will never work....
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Further to my earlier post, as per the LCACC website, the ATR72 indeed is no option for LCY. I seem to remember that ATR is thinking about certifying the new ATR72-600 for LCY in a couple of years.
That means AA will need to keep at least one ATR42 for LCY. Does not fit in with the overall fleet size of 8 or 9 aircraft as at the end of 2009 the previous plan showed 10 ATR72-500 in the fleet.
That means AA will need to keep at least one ATR42 for LCY. Does not fit in with the overall fleet size of 8 or 9 aircraft as at the end of 2009 the previous plan showed 10 ATR72-500 in the fleet.
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If you check slot allocations at LCY youll see AA have been allocated LCYIOM slots
. Maybe when they applied they planned to use them but could all be different now theyve been credit crunched
. Maybe when they applied they planned to use them but could all be different now theyve been credit crunched
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Isle of Man Buisness Lounge New Owners !!
Read in the local rag that the business lounge license is being transfered to a company called Platinum Holdings on Thurs any idea who this is
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If you check slot allocations at LCY youll see AA have been allocated LCYIOM slots
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seems FlyBe are cutting LPL frequency further in Jan
, Manxy2 seem to have dropped a SAT GLO but Im told Aer Arran LCY announcement next week. Not all gloom at Ronaldsway
, Manxy2 seem to have dropped a SAT GLO but Im told Aer Arran LCY announcement next week. Not all gloom at Ronaldsway
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Frequency cuts at BE are for a good reason. Airlines have traditionally lost fortunes over the 3rd and forth quarter...flying empty aircraft about with what passengers are on, all on loss-leader fares. BA are masters at it.
Of, course, Traditionally, airlines go skint too, and flybe are trying to avoid this by cutting the quiet flights and putting folk onto the remaining flights.
Moan you might, but they don't cut the first or last flights, and they give pax a good few weeks notice and don't charge anything else to change them.
This way, you still have an airline next year........
Of, course, Traditionally, airlines go skint too, and flybe are trying to avoid this by cutting the quiet flights and putting folk onto the remaining flights.
Moan you might, but they don't cut the first or last flights, and they give pax a good few weeks notice and don't charge anything else to change them.
This way, you still have an airline next year........
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Cuts understood, but FlyBe need to look at adding another LGW rotation afternoon/evening on Fridays and Sundays....these are filling up quickly, probably because there's no LCY/IOM option, and there's only one LTN.
Cost me a fortune to come home via MAN (with BA) last week!
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AER ARANN DEBUT AT LONDON CITY ON ISLE OF MAN ROUTE
Irish regional airline Aer Arann will be a new airline at London City Airport when it commences scheduled air services from the Isle of Man on 19 January, 2009. The Dublin-based carrier will operate three times daily flights with its latest, 72-seat new-generation ATR72-500 aircraft, pending certification. The move restores one of the most important air services for the Island and gives a massive boost to the Isle of Man’s finance sector. “From the start of next year, regular flights will be available to London’s premier business airport, less than four miles from London’s commercial and financial heartland at Canary Wharf,” commented Isle of Man Airport Director Ann Reynolds.
The Island has retained just one flight a day to City Airport (operated by VLM) since the closure of the airline, EuroManx, in May this year. Aer Arann’s announcement restores the weekday frequency to four daily flights and, critically for the Island’s business sector, provides the much missed morning and evening services, enabling Isle of Man travellers a full day’s work in the Capital. The first flight from the Island will depart at 08:25, arriving at London City at 09:50. The return evening flight allows almost 10 hours in London, departing at 19:45 and arriving at the Isle of Man at 21:05. In addition, there will be an afternoon flight departing from the Island at 13:55, which returns from London City at 15:45 for those requiring a shorter day in the Capital. As well as the three daily flights on weekdays, Aer Arann will also operate a service on Saturday mornings, plus two flights on Sunday evenings, catering for more leisure driven traffic.
The Aer Arann Isle of Man route will also bring another first to London City Airport as its debuts the 72-seat ATR72-500. It will be the first of its type to operate into London City, bringing high standards of passenger service to the route. Aer Arann is currently participating in a certification programme with the manufacturer, ATR, the UK Civil Aviation Authority and London City Airport.
The Isle of Man Airport has been working since May to restore the schedule the Island so desperately needs. There were a number of critical issues which presented challenges, including the securing by Aer Arann of London City “slots” for the route, coupled with the current economic downturn, but both the Airport and Aer Arann are confident about the future of the route.
“The Isle of Man to London City route has performed consistently well since it commenced in 2000, carrying an average of 5,500 passengers per month flying between the two airports in 2007,” said Ann. “Although VLM has continued to operate its daily service originating from London, the monthly average has recently dropped to less than 1,000 passengers. We know that Isle of Man business and commerce have suffered substantially without the frequent service to London City and, despite the economic situation, there is still heavy demand for the route.”
Isle of Man Minister of Transport, David Anderson MHK is delighted with the Aer Arann announcement. “We are in no doubt whatsoever about the value of a frequent link with London City with good timings to meet the Island’s business needs,” he said. “Aer Arann showed real enthusiasm for the route and I am over the moon that they have decided to take it up and have managed to obtain the London City timings we all desperately need. This is a real boost to the Island’s business travel and again helps to make the Isle of Man the very attractive offshore commercial centre that it is.”
DTI Minister David Cretney MHK said "The London City route has proved to be very valuable for the Isle of Man’s economy by providing a convenient link to the centre of London both for our business community and for business visitors from London and internationally. I am delighted to see the restoration of a frequent service to London City by Aer Arann, with the excellent timings they have obtained, and I know this will be enthusiastically welcomed throughout the Island's business community."
“This new route is an example of the focus that Aer Arann is placing on building a strong business by developing a regional route structure that provides critical links and access to major centres”, said Aer Arann CEO designate, Paul Schütz.
“The schedule offers excellent access opportunities for the business and financial services community who need to travel frequently between the two airports”, he continued, “and it also offers very convenient travel times for leisure passengers who want easy access to central London or to the Isle of Man,”, Mr. Schütz concluded.
Due to its close proximity to London’s primary commercial and business centre, which celebrated its 21st birthday this year together with the Docklands Light Railway link into the airport, London City is highly sought after for business travel to the capital. As a result, it has been increasingly difficult for airlines to secure good business timings for flights into the airport. “This has been a key issue for the restoration of the London City route for the Island,” added Ann. “We are very pleased that Aer Arann has obtained these London City timings and will be working with them to ensure that they remain available for the Isle of Man route in the future.”
The future winter timetable for the Isle of Man (IOM) to London City (LCY) route, including the existing VLM (VG) as well as the new Aer Arann (RE) flights, is shown below.
Isle of Man (IOM) to London City (LCY)
Flight No. Dep IOM Arr
LCY Days of operation
RE801 0825 0950 MTWTFS-
RE805 1355 1520 MTWTF-S
VG664 1540 1715 MTWTF--
RE807 1755 1920 MTWTF-S
London City (LCY) to Isle of Man (IOM)
Flight No. Dep LCY Arr IOM Days of operation
VG664 0830 0955 MTWTF--
RE802 1015 1140 MTWTFS-
RE806 1545 1710 MTWTF-S
RE808 1945 2105 MTWTF-S
For further information: Ann Reynolds, Airport Director,
Isle of Man Airport Tel: 01624 821601
Andrew Kelly, Corporate Affairs
Aer Arann Tel: +353 1 844 7647
Irish regional airline Aer Arann will be a new airline at London City Airport when it commences scheduled air services from the Isle of Man on 19 January, 2009. The Dublin-based carrier will operate three times daily flights with its latest, 72-seat new-generation ATR72-500 aircraft, pending certification. The move restores one of the most important air services for the Island and gives a massive boost to the Isle of Man’s finance sector. “From the start of next year, regular flights will be available to London’s premier business airport, less than four miles from London’s commercial and financial heartland at Canary Wharf,” commented Isle of Man Airport Director Ann Reynolds.
The Island has retained just one flight a day to City Airport (operated by VLM) since the closure of the airline, EuroManx, in May this year. Aer Arann’s announcement restores the weekday frequency to four daily flights and, critically for the Island’s business sector, provides the much missed morning and evening services, enabling Isle of Man travellers a full day’s work in the Capital. The first flight from the Island will depart at 08:25, arriving at London City at 09:50. The return evening flight allows almost 10 hours in London, departing at 19:45 and arriving at the Isle of Man at 21:05. In addition, there will be an afternoon flight departing from the Island at 13:55, which returns from London City at 15:45 for those requiring a shorter day in the Capital. As well as the three daily flights on weekdays, Aer Arann will also operate a service on Saturday mornings, plus two flights on Sunday evenings, catering for more leisure driven traffic.
The Aer Arann Isle of Man route will also bring another first to London City Airport as its debuts the 72-seat ATR72-500. It will be the first of its type to operate into London City, bringing high standards of passenger service to the route. Aer Arann is currently participating in a certification programme with the manufacturer, ATR, the UK Civil Aviation Authority and London City Airport.
The Isle of Man Airport has been working since May to restore the schedule the Island so desperately needs. There were a number of critical issues which presented challenges, including the securing by Aer Arann of London City “slots” for the route, coupled with the current economic downturn, but both the Airport and Aer Arann are confident about the future of the route.
“The Isle of Man to London City route has performed consistently well since it commenced in 2000, carrying an average of 5,500 passengers per month flying between the two airports in 2007,” said Ann. “Although VLM has continued to operate its daily service originating from London, the monthly average has recently dropped to less than 1,000 passengers. We know that Isle of Man business and commerce have suffered substantially without the frequent service to London City and, despite the economic situation, there is still heavy demand for the route.”
Isle of Man Minister of Transport, David Anderson MHK is delighted with the Aer Arann announcement. “We are in no doubt whatsoever about the value of a frequent link with London City with good timings to meet the Island’s business needs,” he said. “Aer Arann showed real enthusiasm for the route and I am over the moon that they have decided to take it up and have managed to obtain the London City timings we all desperately need. This is a real boost to the Island’s business travel and again helps to make the Isle of Man the very attractive offshore commercial centre that it is.”
DTI Minister David Cretney MHK said "The London City route has proved to be very valuable for the Isle of Man’s economy by providing a convenient link to the centre of London both for our business community and for business visitors from London and internationally. I am delighted to see the restoration of a frequent service to London City by Aer Arann, with the excellent timings they have obtained, and I know this will be enthusiastically welcomed throughout the Island's business community."
“This new route is an example of the focus that Aer Arann is placing on building a strong business by developing a regional route structure that provides critical links and access to major centres”, said Aer Arann CEO designate, Paul Schütz.
“The schedule offers excellent access opportunities for the business and financial services community who need to travel frequently between the two airports”, he continued, “and it also offers very convenient travel times for leisure passengers who want easy access to central London or to the Isle of Man,”, Mr. Schütz concluded.
Due to its close proximity to London’s primary commercial and business centre, which celebrated its 21st birthday this year together with the Docklands Light Railway link into the airport, London City is highly sought after for business travel to the capital. As a result, it has been increasingly difficult for airlines to secure good business timings for flights into the airport. “This has been a key issue for the restoration of the London City route for the Island,” added Ann. “We are very pleased that Aer Arann has obtained these London City timings and will be working with them to ensure that they remain available for the Isle of Man route in the future.”
The future winter timetable for the Isle of Man (IOM) to London City (LCY) route, including the existing VLM (VG) as well as the new Aer Arann (RE) flights, is shown below.
Isle of Man (IOM) to London City (LCY)
Flight No. Dep IOM Arr
LCY Days of operation
RE801 0825 0950 MTWTFS-
RE805 1355 1520 MTWTF-S
VG664 1540 1715 MTWTF--
RE807 1755 1920 MTWTF-S
London City (LCY) to Isle of Man (IOM)
Flight No. Dep LCY Arr IOM Days of operation
VG664 0830 0955 MTWTF--
RE802 1015 1140 MTWTFS-
RE806 1545 1710 MTWTF-S
RE808 1945 2105 MTWTF-S
For further information: Ann Reynolds, Airport Director,
Isle of Man Airport Tel: 01624 821601
Andrew Kelly, Corporate Affairs
Aer Arann Tel: +353 1 844 7647
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Well done Aer Arann. I hope they make a better go of it than some of their previous efforts off the Rock. VLM had been looking a gift horse in the mouth for 6 months on this route; unbelievable it didn't exploit the opportunity to clean up on LCY although hands may have been tied by the Cityjet takeover. Good news for the Island.
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Hmm.
5000 pax per month. Divided by two airlines allowing for weekends, RE would be splitting their share about 175 ways, so that would be roughly 28 pax on each flight, supposing they got 100% of the share.
And that's with some cheap seats offered, not just all premium.
They'll be charged for a 70+seater anyway, so no point keeping a -42, but unless they really push fares to pull traffic off the LGW and LTN routes, then they'll struggle to make much profit.
If Flybe keeps the LGW fares keen, then only premium traffic will switch back and with the slots, only some of them, as you only get a half day.....
Haven't a Clue, Flybe have been looking into extra capacity on the LGW route as a priority, so depending on the impact RE make, something will likely happen for next year.
5000 pax per month. Divided by two airlines allowing for weekends, RE would be splitting their share about 175 ways, so that would be roughly 28 pax on each flight, supposing they got 100% of the share.
And that's with some cheap seats offered, not just all premium.
They'll be charged for a 70+seater anyway, so no point keeping a -42, but unless they really push fares to pull traffic off the LGW and LTN routes, then they'll struggle to make much profit.
If Flybe keeps the LGW fares keen, then only premium traffic will switch back and with the slots, only some of them, as you only get a half day.....
Haven't a Clue, Flybe have been looking into extra capacity on the LGW route as a priority, so depending on the impact RE make, something will likely happen for next year.
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Well Done & Congrats to RE
I just hope this forum is now not going to used a RE bashing forum the same as it was when EuroManx operated this route.
In tough times, handouts or not, Aer Arann Tony Norman and Ann Reynolds are to be congratulated on making this happen. I'm sure it will be a success as the capital deserves competition on its routes. At least now we will be able to get a decent weekend break in London without the huge baggage charges and Gatwick express fares. I wish the Irish boys all the best.
I just hope this forum is now not going to used a RE bashing forum the same as it was when EuroManx operated this route.
In tough times, handouts or not, Aer Arann Tony Norman and Ann Reynolds are to be congratulated on making this happen. I'm sure it will be a success as the capital deserves competition on its routes. At least now we will be able to get a decent weekend break in London without the huge baggage charges and Gatwick express fares. I wish the Irish boys all the best.
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I have to agree, well done Aer Arran for taking on the LCY. Would rather them than Maybe on any occasion, any competition is healthy for the London routes.
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