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G-GNTZ has, if memory serves, 80 seats 2+3. The flight I was on carried 75 pax, but probably 2/3 students on a school trip.
When will the 146 replace by the Q400 ? I cannot find FlyBE's based aircraft overview any longer...
When will the 146 replace by the Q400 ? I cannot find FlyBE's based aircraft overview any longer...
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Are you mad?? Small, cramped, stupidly small overhead bins.... I remember Manx Airlines 146-100 G-OJET as being a similar nightmare.
manx crab:
I am travelling tomorrow with two kids and Mrs Hac. No connection to make though, thank goodness. Checked in on-line, printed our boarding passes and will be travelling with hand baggage. Should miss the queues. Let's hope LGW baggage belts are now working so no delays.....please?
Seriously though I have been cynical as regards this FlyBe/BaCon tie up. Spoilt rotten by BA's ba.com service. Tried FlyBe's online booking and check-in and thus far am very impressed. Perhaps they will keep my business after all. Still not sure about LGW South though.....
and was hoping to sample my first BAe 146-100
manx crab:
I suppose some chaos was to be expected but you would not want to be traveling tomorrow with a tight connection to make at LGW or MAN. The queues at FS should be interesting as well.
Seriously though I have been cynical as regards this FlyBe/BaCon tie up. Spoilt rotten by BA's ba.com service. Tried FlyBe's online booking and check-in and thus far am very impressed. Perhaps they will keep my business after all. Still not sure about LGW South though.....
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Virginblue: You are quite correct. GGNTZ has 80 seats, however it is restricted to 79 when running a 2/3 crew, as it doesn't have a third cabin crew seat, therefore a pax seat is used for the crew. GMANS is meant to be replacing TZ but not to sure when.
Regarding the 'new Flybe', there have been many teething problems all over the network, it is to be expected. Having spoken to the newly acquired BAconnect crew they are in good spirts. If the deal was completed when it was meant to be, many of the problems wouldn't have happened today
Regarding the 'new Flybe', there have been many teething problems all over the network, it is to be expected. Having spoken to the newly acquired BAconnect crew they are in good spirts. If the deal was completed when it was meant to be, many of the problems wouldn't have happened today
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'You are quite correct. GGNTZ has 80 seats, however it is restricted to 79 when running a 2/3 crew, as it doesn't have a third cabin crew seat, therefore a pax seat is used for the crew. GMANS is meant to be replacing TZ but not to sure when.@
NS & TZ are in a 3x2 82 seat config rather than the 3x3 95 for these 200s
For cabin staff the min requirement is x 1 for 20 up to 50 pax, x 2 up to 99 and x 3 thereafter.
NS & TZ are in a 3x2 82 seat config rather than the 3x3 95 for these 200s
For cabin staff the min requirement is x 1 for 20 up to 50 pax, x 2 up to 99 and x 3 thereafter.
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very strange indeed. When i was pre-seating pax the other day on the system for TZ, there were only 80 seats (16 rows of 5) on the seat map. 80 seats in the APS weights / seating plans, and also told 80 by Flybe, and 79Y when running 2/3 crew.
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Exconnected, straight to the point and unfortunately what most people from FS and MR now think. The problems of yesterday had more to do with FlyBe being so unorganised. From what I understand the required paperwork, manuals etc were in MAN, not IOM... then there was the crew for the embraer to MAN who were in MAN.. this meant TZ operating the 1000 MAN service when it finally returned from LGW. The Embraer captain was in BHX and arrived on the inbound BE BHX flight. After this everything was delayed for around 1 - 3 hours.
It was a total mess up for their first day. To be fair problems were always going to happen but this is probably as bad as it could have been. Flight Support and Manx Regional staff made the best out of what was a bad day for the passengers. The MANAGEMENT from both companies have a lot to answer for though, going back on previous agreements on which company was responsible for what. Flight Support wanted the front of house work but as soon as the
hit the fan their management tried to dump it on Manx Regional - whos management was only to happy to ACCEPT. Exconn your right, the management of both firms - egotistical fools trying to score points, at the expense and reputation of their staff.
I can tell you one thing for sure, the morale and motivation of staff at Manx Regional is going from bad to worse, its time to tell the truth and let people know what is going on.
It was a total mess up for their first day. To be fair problems were always going to happen but this is probably as bad as it could have been. Flight Support and Manx Regional staff made the best out of what was a bad day for the passengers. The MANAGEMENT from both companies have a lot to answer for though, going back on previous agreements on which company was responsible for what. Flight Support wanted the front of house work but as soon as the
hit the fan their management tried to dump it on Manx Regional - whos management was only to happy to ACCEPT. Exconn your right, the management of both firms - egotistical fools trying to score points, at the expense and reputation of their staff. I can tell you one thing for sure, the morale and motivation of staff at Manx Regional is going from bad to worse, its time to tell the truth and let people know what is going on.
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EMX81L / Island Jockey:
GNTZ has 16 rows including a row 13, that makes it 80. There is no row 17. There is, however, some equipment installed on the "2" side behind row 16 and with removing that stuff, whatever it is, and some squeezing it might be possible to add another two seats - so possibly you both are correct.
The flight, by the way, was operated with two F/A despite having a LF of 94%.
GNTZ has 16 rows including a row 13, that makes it 80. There is no row 17. There is, however, some equipment installed on the "2" side behind row 16 and with removing that stuff, whatever it is, and some squeezing it might be possible to add another two seats - so possibly you both are correct.
The flight, by the way, was operated with two F/A despite having a LF of 94%.
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As can be seen from above their have been more than enough problems to deal with over the last 2 days but a big WELL DONE to FS and MR staff because under VERY difficult circumstances they have all done really well. Its not easy for 2 companies in competition for handling to have to work as one unit but give the staff of both sides credit they have proved in difficult circumstances it can be done and over the next few days now that some of the initial problems have been sorted things can only get better. Perhaps the management should get together at the end of this and throw both sides a bit of a joint party!!!!! As for the morale at MR, of course people are feeling down in the dumps some of the staff from MR have handled the LGW and MAN flights for a very long time and maybe if some of you thought your jobs were at risk your morale would be a bit low too.
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Is this somewhat strange ground arrangement due to Flybe having an existing contract with FS and BACON having one with MR ?.
It must be really hard on both sets of staff especially if anything goes wrong as the blame will always be passed to the other party.
Has MABR gone for good
or is it going to resurface at a later date
It must be really hard on both sets of staff especially if anything goes wrong as the blame will always be passed to the other party.
Has MABR gone for good
or is it going to resurface at a later date
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QUOTE]a big WELL DONE to FS and MR staff because under VERY difficult circumstances they have all done really well.[/QUOTE]
I'd add the airport police too. As I was transiting the baggage hall last night it was the POLICE who were standing on the baggage carousel shouting at the Gatwick passengers to leave the baggage area as no bags had been loaded at LGW. FS staff appeared to be cowering in the background at the thought of a SLF backlash.
I'd add the airport police too. As I was transiting the baggage hall last night it was the POLICE who were standing on the baggage carousel shouting at the Gatwick passengers to leave the baggage area as no bags had been loaded at LGW. FS staff appeared to be cowering in the background at the thought of a SLF backlash.
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A lot of people say a lot of bad things about BA Connect, but I think they'll be missed here on the island. Especially when the big business men are asked to pay for bags, the exec club members told to 'slum it' in the public lounge, and pax with connections not being able to interline bags.
Anyone know what's happening with the lounge? Is that now Flybe's long term? If not there may be a gap for someone like eastern to do some flights dedicated to the businessman? Can't see it happening though
ooh Err Missus! Then yesterday didn't get off to a great start then?
MC. BACON is no more. It is deceased. It is an ex airline. for some
for others.
MC. BACON is no more. It is deceased. It is an ex airline.
for some for others.
Anyone know what's happening with the lounge? Is that now Flybe's long term? If not there may be a gap for someone like eastern to do some flights dedicated to the businessman? Can't see it happening though
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Just to exacerbate the complete depression on the airport, the BA CON hangar can't work because they no longer have JAR 145 approval. Now, wouldn't you have thought someone might have thought about that BEFORE the take over?
One nice shiny Barbie Jet sat forlorn and unworked. Any takers?
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One nice shiny Barbie Jet sat forlorn and unworked. Any takers?
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exconnected you make a fair point, why my post from yesterday was deleted I don't know. Its harsh to blame Manx Regional and Flight Support for the problems on Sunday. One way or another most of it was down to FlyMayBe and their planning skills! Both handling agents did their best. The staff more so, the management spent the day running round trying to 'develop' their reputation. All i'm saying is that morale at Manx Regional has been damaged and it will take a hell of a lot to repair it - thats if it can even be repaired! The management have got a lot to answer for. Anyone know what its like inside flight support right now?
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I think when you actually look at what has happened in the last few days, things appear to have gone very well. Flybe has gone from operating approx 280 flights per day to 450 overnight. It was never going to happen seamlessly.
Sunday was always going to see delays as crews were using new systems with which to obtain flightplans/duties etc. Delays were likely and did occur
Monday was better and operated well
Tuesdays delays were due to technical problems and the staff told me that spare parts had to come from the mainland - no ones fault!!
Let's give it a week or so and then make judgement. This was a massive task .... neither company was small prior to the acquisition, but Flybe now have serious critical mass in many areas in which they operate which can only be good.
Sunday was always going to see delays as crews were using new systems with which to obtain flightplans/duties etc. Delays were likely and did occur
Monday was better and operated well
Tuesdays delays were due to technical problems and the staff told me that spare parts had to come from the mainland - no ones fault!!
Let's give it a week or so and then make judgement. This was a massive task .... neither company was small prior to the acquisition, but Flybe now have serious critical mass in many areas in which they operate which can only be good.
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The LGW probs yesterday were resultant from the 146 going tech on taxi for the first flight of the day. A hydraulic leak.
G-JEBB subbed in on one rotation whilst spares were en-route from BRS.
G-JEBB subbed in on one rotation whilst spares were en-route from BRS.