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Stobart: redevelopment finished by September

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Any idea what this has to do with the airport?

It will supply 5.2m tonnes of biomass fuel to Brite Partnership in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, over 20 years starting in 2017.

Is it the grass cuttings or the contents from a large septic tank!
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Old 6th Mar 2015, 18:55
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Any idea what this has to do with the airport?
Nothing but as it's in the business section it is news about Stobarts.

Just as the final section is a comment about a totally unrelated shipping company in Barrow-in-Furness
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 16:39
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Stobart will seek funding for DUB and BHD services, set up to fail before they may even start!
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SEN also, but if you can get Govt support, why not?
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Old 28th Mar 2015, 17:04
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Fair point but when the tap runs out of money?

If you are investing in a passenger terminal etc then you really should ensure viable operations can work to justify an investment.
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Who said anything about investing in a terminal? Don't think there are any plans at present.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:47
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As part of meeting the funding criteria it has to be shown that the route is commercially viable after 3 years when the money runs out.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 18:41
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As part of meeting the funding criteria it has to be shown that the route is commercially viable after 3 years when the money runs out.
As part of the planning permission, Stobart submitted a report conducted by an independent analyst on the viability of the London and Dublin routes:

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APD’s ‘Likely’ forecast indicates that for a Southend route, beyond Year 9,
the load factor would be in excess of 58% and the ‘LIKELY’ Load Factor on
Dublin/Irish Sea Routes would be in excess of 58%, beyond Year 4.(para.
2.9).

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APD expect a daily service to Dublin (6 days per week) would generate
about 14,300 passengers in Year 2, significantly less than Aer Arran’s
break-even point of 58% seat utilisation for a single daily rotation, but ‘break
even’ would be achieved in Year 3 with 17,366 passengers. However,
after the initial establishment of the route, by Year 4, the airline could
consider the introduction of a double daily rotation to Dublin or a second
daily rotation to an alternative destination on the Island (e.g. Belfast), in
which case a ‘break even Load Factor’ of 58% on a double daily rotation
may be achievable by Year 7, with over 33,000 passengers.(para. 2.14).

So 9 years to reach break even on Southend, 3/4 on Dublin. So the Dublin route may qualify, but is it sustainable without having Southend too?

No study has ever been carried out for Belfast.
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Old 29th Mar 2015, 21:00
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I don't think 9 years would ever be considered a feasible amount of time to wait for profitability or break even, is there demand for Belfast? Do many Cumbrians drive to Newcastle to fly there? Or get the ferry? I have no idea...

Southend makes sense because... Well it's "London" and Dublin makes sense for the onward connections mainly, but Belfast? I really don't know. I'd have thought Belfast could work to BHD with Citywing
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Old 30th Mar 2015, 07:41
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I don't think I would have a lot of faith in a feasibility study which seriously suggested it could look 9 years ahead in this industry.
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It was a feasibility study designed to convince a council...
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Southend makes sense because... Well it's "London" and Dublin makes sense for the onward connections mainly, but Belfast? I really don't know. I'd have thought Belfast could work to BHD with Citywing
I'm not sure Southend does make sense - not with a direct rail link to central London. I can't see anyone other than Stobart operating from Carlisle.
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That says it all !
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Lots of work ongoing to the east of the 01 threshold and up to the A689.
Framework of the new buildings also visible
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Question Carlisle airport progress?

An earlier post stated Stobart confirming all Airport redevelopment work will be complete by September ..so 4 months to go.
Passed there a couple of days ago and the only work I could see was on the road infrastructure for the new massive distribution centre and of course the monstrosity of the centre itself.
Any one know how the actual airport And route developments are going?
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Old 2nd Jun 2015, 15:26
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September is phase 1 - the big sheds for trucks. Don't think there is anything related. Don't think there are dates for phase 2 which I think includes the runway work and new aprons.
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When do Ryanair start?

Joking aside... I can see them actually making a good shot at it to be fair to them.... And if the price was right people might actually travel from MAN/GLA/NCL to use CAX instead. You can do a lot with 1 frame when you have as high utilization as Ryanair.
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Not the infrastructure at CAX to support 737 ops.
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Old 2nd Jun 2015, 19:56
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As a FR base pilot once told me when I asked "We could not take off from there with more than a 50% load, so it would be an absolute no go."

I doubt that Easyjet would be much different
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