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Old 2nd Jun 2015, 20:39
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I think the intention would be that it will eventually have infrastructure to support stuff probably up to the size of a 737 when they repave/lengthen(?) the runway and build a terminal.

Not sure about the accuracy of the 50% load information... The runway is 6000ft long which isn't much shorter than Newcastle or Leeds not to mention Bristol and they manage fine to the canaries and cyprus from there. I'm not aware of other operationa constraints in flying from Carlisle.

Easyjet would do fine, the A319 would have very few problems
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Old 2nd Jun 2015, 21:01
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I hesitate to be a party pooper, but is a jet aircraft with 150+ seats at an airport in an area with low population, a good train service and major roads a realistic proposition ? Nearby urban centres like Liverpool-Manchester, Newcastle and Scotland's central belt are hardly lacking affordable air transport.
Perhaps a prop with 50-80 seats (think ATR or Dash8) might be a better starting point commercially...
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Old 2nd Jun 2015, 21:08
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As far as I am aware there are no plans to develop the airport for jet operations - no new terminal or lengthened runway, or the rest of the infrastructure required. Stobart Atr's are the plan.
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I hope Stobart works but I don't really hold out much hope for Carlisle really. I was being an uber-optimist suggesting Ryanair could ever make a good shot of it (and keep MOL happy).

I don't expect whatever service CAX gets to last more than 18 months, hence I'll be wanting to try them out ASAP when they start up. ATR42 combi maybe
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Old 3rd Jun 2015, 08:38
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When permission was granted for development of the airport, it was done so under the following condition:

Passenger and cargo fixed wing aircraft to be limited to the following types of aircraft, Jetsream 41, DHC-8Q400, ATR-42, ATR-72 and RJ146 or aircraft of equivalent characteristics in terms of size, weight, carrying capacity, noise and other polluting emissions.
While this may be changed at a later date, it rules out Ryanair ops initially.

EDIT: This was a condition of the 2013 planning approval, which was later overturned. I'm not sure if this clause was included in the final approval.
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Old 3rd Jun 2015, 19:59
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The runway is 6000ft long
Actual runway lengths according to NATS AIS are which are the ones I quoted.


07. TORA 5544, TODA 5902, ASDA 5544, LDA 4320
25. TORA 5518, TODA 5902, ASDA 5518, LDA 4740

Now I don't know about you but if I ask a question of a senior pilot who is also a trainer I tend to believe his answer!
The runway was intended to be extended and realigned, but that is not going to happen so I doubt the above measurements will change, owing to the roads that are close to each end.
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Old 3rd Jun 2015, 20:42
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The only people using CAX will be Stobart Air and in all probability, the only routes operated would be SEN and an outside possibility of DUB. Beyond that, I cannot see what potential air routes there might be as there is no local catchment apart from sheep!
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Old 4th Jun 2015, 07:55
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The only people using CAX will be Stobart Air and in all probability, the only routes operated would be SEN and an outside possibility of DUB. Beyond that, I cannot see what potential air routes there might be as there is no local catchment apart from sheep!
I would say Dublin is more likely to work than SEN. I just can't see the business case for London, not with an hourly train service taking just 3.5 hrs to reach the city centre. Heathrow with the added connections may work, but that's never going to happen.
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Old 4th Jun 2015, 16:20
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Stobart's have consistently said Atr-42 twice daily to SEN and daily to DUB
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Old 11th Nov 2015, 19:39
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News & Star | News | Business | Summer hope for Carlisle Airport passenger flights

Ministers announced in August that routes from Carlisle to London Southend, Dublin and Belfast are among 15 shortlisted to get funding from a £56m pot to support new services from smaller regional airports. To secure the money, Stobart Air will have to convince the Department for Transport that the routes will be viable once the three-year subsidy ends.

Mr Tinkler said: “We believe it is do-able and makes commercial sense. But we have to make it sustainable and it takes time to build passenger numbers on a new route. That [government] support in the first two or three years is vital.”

He revealed that Stobart is in discussions with the Civil Aviation Authority about works to upgrade the runway and the installation of an instrument landing system.

The company expects to spend between £3m and £4m on the project – more if it opts to move the passenger terminal into a corner of the new freight distribution centre at Carlisle Airport. This would allow direct access to the terminal from the A689.

Mr Tinkler said: “Once we get the go ahead, the works could be completed in two to three months. Summer 2016 isn’t out of the question for starting flights."
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Old 21st Dec 2015, 20:26
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Carlisle future in doubt again?

reported that Stobarts looking to sell their aviation arm....wow what a surprise??
Never mind they have what they set out to achieve..and what most of us suspected and warned of.

So what now for passenger flights and even an aviation future?
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 07:29
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Didnt Stobart sell off the trucking division 2 years ago? They've been under separate ownership ever since, so i'm not sure what this changes, if it is true?
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 16:57
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Not had chance to check this, but my understanding is that the road haulage is now a separate company from the rail and aviation business (which has the airline and airports), so if the Irish Times is right and aviation business is to sell off the airline but the airports are retained, the question will be if the "independent" airline will have any reason to operate between the two Stobart owned airports?


News & Star | News | Stobart Group could sell stake in air division - report
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This proposed route was all about befitting all three parts of the Stobart air empire. I can't see any reason why the sold airline would want to operate the route but then Stobart would know this when they put it up for sale.
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 16:29
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looking promising????

Closely linked with the Southend thread,my sources tell me that the airport will be closed(runway) for two months to facilitate infrastructure improvements..runway levelling and drainage.Not sure about any terminal improvements?
So maybe it's a goer!!
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Old 22nd Feb 2016, 16:41
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Its been reported that they are trying to sell Stobart Air so if it happens it would be down to the new owners.
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Old 23rd Feb 2016, 10:06
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Any idea when this work is to take place highwideandugly?
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http://http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/business/Stobart-completes-17m-Carlisle-Airport-deal-984a7146-6fb2-45c5-a6da-3127be4c933e-ds
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Old 24th Feb 2016, 06:58
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Airport improvements

Not sure when it will close.However the runway needs a lot of attention(expensive)pre the start of schedule flights.The terminal is in no fit state either,so it's going to cost a lot of money to get it up to scratch.
I suppose the sooner it's started..the sooner the airport will become operational?
One fly in the ointment is Stobarts "proposed" sale of the airline which was mentioned.Will a new airline have the will or requirements to operate proposed very marginal services?
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What's the plan for the flying club and private owners if/when the runway is closed for a period of time? Could they use the short runway?
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