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The last time I looked NCL was 1hr15min driving time from Carlisle and between 1hr45min and 2hr from the other population centres of Cumbria, which has a total population of 500,000. I'm not saying whether or not that is sufficient to support a route from CAX to DUB but NCL doesn't look to me quite the threat that is being suggested.
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How long is the runway? , Will it be extended to cope with an E170 or c series for Example.
Dimensions 1837m x 30m
25 TORA 1714m, TODA 1824m, ASDA 1714m, LDA 1469m
07 TORA 1649m, TODA 1777m, ASDA 1649m, LDA 1311m
but to extend east ward will require a road diversion and put the final approach lower over the village of Irthington which is 600m from the existing end of the runway.
The other way the main M6 - A69 cross country road is 400m from the end, as well as another minor road being in the way.
So no I doubt the runway will ever get extended
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I've been having a read through the planning application, and it seems to have changed a fair bit from the last application.
They no longer intend to build a new runway offset from the existing one. Instead the existing runway will be raised and re-profiled. The runway will be built to PCN31 specification. 11 stands will be constructed, 4 capable of accepting aircraft up to 747 in size, with the remaining stands capable of handling aircraft up to 737 size. However, a condition of the planning permission prevents larger aircraft using the airfield on a regular basis, the 747 sized stands are to be constructed purely for potential storage, although the condition can be removed in future if desired.
Plans for a new terminal also appear to have been dropped, there is no mention of it in the planning permission, and it no longer features on the drawings.
Well done Mr Brown, thanks to your constant objections now it will just be an industrial estate! I can only assume the proposed passenger flights will use the existing terminal?
You can find the document here: Meetings and Events
Pages 17-20 list the proposals, with page 114 onwards showing the plans.
They no longer intend to build a new runway offset from the existing one. Instead the existing runway will be raised and re-profiled. The runway will be built to PCN31 specification. 11 stands will be constructed, 4 capable of accepting aircraft up to 747 in size, with the remaining stands capable of handling aircraft up to 737 size. However, a condition of the planning permission prevents larger aircraft using the airfield on a regular basis, the 747 sized stands are to be constructed purely for potential storage, although the condition can be removed in future if desired.
Plans for a new terminal also appear to have been dropped, there is no mention of it in the planning permission, and it no longer features on the drawings.
Well done Mr Brown, thanks to your constant objections now it will just be an industrial estate! I can only assume the proposed passenger flights will use the existing terminal?
You can find the document here: Meetings and Events
Pages 17-20 list the proposals, with page 114 onwards showing the plans.
Nighthawk117 - thanks, interesting stuff. Hadn't realised that there were no plans for a new terminal. In fact, it looks like the only development of the existing airport/tower/hanger area is an extra 110 parking places by the 'terminal'. I think that really paints a picture of any planned passenger activities.
All the development takes place around the freight depot located south of the runway and north of the A689.
Will the re-constructed runway be capable of taking 747's - even if empty??
All the development takes place around the freight depot located south of the runway and north of the A689.
Will the re-constructed runway be capable of taking 747's - even if empty??
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I believe that technically they may not need planning permission for a new small terminal. Under the terms of the General Permitted Development Order they are entitled to erect certain operational buildings and structures without planning consent. These buildings can include a terminal of up to 500 sq m floor area, which might be enough if used in conjunction with existing buildings.
On the other hand you might still have expected to see it included in the overall plan submitted to Council.
On the other hand you might still have expected to see it included in the overall plan submitted to Council.
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I believe that technically they may not need planning permission for a new small terminal.
However, the previous plans submitted last time showed a new terminal located alongside the freight distribution warehouse - this is no longer shown on the new plans, and instead the land has been reallocated as car parking, with additional stands added. (previous plans had 4 stands, now 11).
So the terminal will now remain where it is, not sure if they plan to redevelop it or not though.
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Original Plan:
3 stands, a hanger and a terminal located next to the freight centre.
New Plans:
Larger distribution centre, more stands, but no terminal, and no free space to build one either!
3 stands, a hanger and a terminal located next to the freight centre.
New Plans:
Larger distribution centre, more stands, but no terminal, and no free space to build one either!
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Congratulations!
After years of hard work, planning and legal cases, it is good to hear that work has finally begun. Well done to the Stobart Group and fingers crossed it can be made into a successful commercial airport.
Interesting to see what they actually do - as noted at post 372 above, there appears to be no passenger terminal in the latest set of plans. The only mention of flights has been Pax Atr's to SEN and DUB, nothing about what the stands next to the Freight distribution centre will be used for.
It is mainly a road freight distribution centre development with good access to the M6 - as I've stated previously, what the aviation facilities will be used for isn't clear but have helped in the planning process.
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The only mention of flights has been Pax Atr's to SEN and DUB, nothing about what the stands next to the Freight distribution centre will be used for.
Work on the freight depot started on 3 December
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