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Well at least they currently have an instrument approach to both runways.
Wouldn't putting an LPV approach onto the most commonly used runway the most cost effective method of getting ILS type minima?
Wouldn't putting an LPV approach onto the most commonly used runway the most cost effective method of getting ILS type minima?
Yes an EGNOS based approach such as LPV or LNAV/VNAV would appear to offer the potential for Cat 1 limits without the need for the expense of the ILS ground installation. The downside is that aircraft would have to carry suitable equipment in order to use it, though I imagine that in time this will become the norm for commercial aircraft. I am not sure how the timing would work out for Stobart and CAX - for all I know they could already be planning for it.
Alderney appears to be the only UK airport publishing an LPV approach at present with a 300ft OCH though presumably other airports will follow suit. The procedures are more widely used already in continental Europe, mainly Germany and France but also Italy and Switzerland.
Alderney appears to be the only UK airport publishing an LPV approach at present with a 300ft OCH though presumably other airports will follow suit. The procedures are more widely used already in continental Europe, mainly Germany and France but also Italy and Switzerland.
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NEWS!!!!
Info from the Guardian suggests that a skeleton weekly service to Dublin and 2x weekly to SEN will take off next summer.
Carlisle becomes gateway to US in tie-up between Stobart Group and Aer Lingus | World news | The Guardian
Carlisle becomes gateway to US in tie-up between Stobart Group and Aer Lingus | World news | The Guardian
Story in the News and Star is a bit more conservative
News & Star | News | Passenger flights from Carlisle Airport edging closer, says Stobart Group
A few quotes from the Guardian story:
Stobart's are 300's? (we'll ignore the jet bit...)
20,000 pax a year is almost 400 a week...
News & Star | News | Passenger flights from Carlisle Airport edging closer, says Stobart Group
A few quotes from the Guardian story:
The weekly flight from Carlisle to Dublin will be operated by Stobart Air’s 48-seater ATR42-500 jet
Tinkler said he expected about 20,000 people a year to fly between Carlisle and the US
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Well I did think that the maths didn't add up on the 20000 pax flying annually, you'd need a weekly A340-600 flight and that would make as much sense as putting a pub in a branch of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Also yes they are 300s as you point out, unless there's something that Stobart hasn't made public knowledge.
Also yes they are 300s as you point out, unless there's something that Stobart hasn't made public knowledge.
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Let's see -
which coastal passenger airports have been a roaring success in recent years?
Manston
Plymouth
Blackpool
and which ones are on life support?
Durham Tees Valley
Prestwick
Newquay
Cardiff
The one conspicuous success is Southend, with an EZY base, 50 miles from London and in an affluent catchment area.
EZY to Carlisle? I think not.
which coastal passenger airports have been a roaring success in recent years?
Manston
Plymouth
Blackpool
and which ones are on life support?
Durham Tees Valley
Prestwick
Newquay
Cardiff
The one conspicuous success is Southend, with an EZY base, 50 miles from London and in an affluent catchment area.
EZY to Carlisle? I think not.
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SWBKCB -
OK the Firth of Solway isn't golden beaches, ice cream parlours and kiss-me-quick hats, but it is part of the coastline of Britain, and it's about 20 miles from Carlisle Airport.
But the problem with coastal areas is that they don't have a full 360 degrees of catchment area, and that's my point in using the word 'coastal'.
I mentioned EZY because of the common ownership of Carlisle and SEN. Anyone hoping that Stobart could pull in another EZY base is thinking wishfully - to say the least.
I stand by my post, but offer these clarifications to reinforce my comments.
Cornishsimon -
I sincerely hope NQY survives as a passenger airport, but in that capacity it needs much more business. If it can be made viable by other ancillary business effectively cross-subsidizing it, that's great in the short term but eventually it will need to show it is self-financing in all departments.
OK the Firth of Solway isn't golden beaches, ice cream parlours and kiss-me-quick hats, but it is part of the coastline of Britain, and it's about 20 miles from Carlisle Airport.
But the problem with coastal areas is that they don't have a full 360 degrees of catchment area, and that's my point in using the word 'coastal'.
I mentioned EZY because of the common ownership of Carlisle and SEN. Anyone hoping that Stobart could pull in another EZY base is thinking wishfully - to say the least.
I stand by my post, but offer these clarifications to reinforce my comments.
Cornishsimon -
I sincerely hope NQY survives as a passenger airport, but in that capacity it needs much more business. If it can be made viable by other ancillary business effectively cross-subsidizing it, that's great in the short term but eventually it will need to show it is self-financing in all departments.
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CAX Guardian article
I think the article is supposed to say 2x daily SEN and 1x daily DUB not weekly. What use is a 2 weekly and 1 weekly service to business pax? And also how many hours would be spare on an aircraft that does 6 rotations a week... unless they have drastically cut back their original plans(?)
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Though the spin on all of this is great
Interviewed on Radio Cumbria last week Andrew Tinkler was expounding the benefits of the CAX - DUB flights as a gateway to the USA. He even commented that from NCL folk had to go via AMS!
Er, don't Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart Air) do a daily NCL - DUB flight
Interviewed on Radio Cumbria last week Andrew Tinkler was expounding the benefits of the CAX - DUB flights as a gateway to the USA. He even commented that from NCL folk had to go via AMS!
Er, don't Aer Lingus Regional (Stobart Air) do a daily NCL - DUB flight
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It was a strange comment, especially in view of the Aer Lingus advert on the NCL airport website which is headed NEW YORK from NEWCASTLE and the service to DUB is up to 3 x daily.
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OK the Firth of Solway isn't golden beaches, ice cream parlours and kiss-me-quick hats, but it is part of the coastline of Britain, and it's about 20 miles from Carlisle Airport.
But the problem with coastal areas is that they don't have a full 360 degrees of catchment area, and that's my point in using the word 'coastal'.
But the problem with coastal areas is that they don't have a full 360 degrees of catchment area, and that's my point in using the word 'coastal'.
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It was a strange comment,
Direct flight 7.5hrs
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So is there any information or website detailing the new Airport.
What the terminal will look like.
How many parking Stands.
How long is the runway? , Will it be extended to cope with an E170 or c series for Example.
Which would give it the range to do some charter stuff.
Or will they Be smart and make it long enough for Easyjet (future proofing not straight away ).
After all, Southend was a short Strip and look at it now.
With Blackpool gone. It might not be that crazy.
Manchester will be a nightmare to reach from anywhere north of the M60 now for three years while they do this new AT system on the Motorway. The M60 is a nightmare at the best of times.
I'd get given the option families want g to start a nice chilled out holiday would have the option of either Grubby Manchester with Crazy traffic or a trip into Scenic Cumbria along the higher sections of the M6 which while bust isn't as Phycotic as the M60. They'd arrive at a nice small friendly new Terminal.
Ideally with free parking.
And if the Airport worked eventually pursuade EZY to try a few Seasonal Mediterranean destinations.
And also cover the Belfast flights lost from
Blackpool.
Manx2 can move there and not need to look.for a new airport.
The question is when is it due to open? ??
What the terminal will look like.
How many parking Stands.
How long is the runway? , Will it be extended to cope with an E170 or c series for Example.
Which would give it the range to do some charter stuff.
Or will they Be smart and make it long enough for Easyjet (future proofing not straight away ).
After all, Southend was a short Strip and look at it now.
With Blackpool gone. It might not be that crazy.
Manchester will be a nightmare to reach from anywhere north of the M60 now for three years while they do this new AT system on the Motorway. The M60 is a nightmare at the best of times.
I'd get given the option families want g to start a nice chilled out holiday would have the option of either Grubby Manchester with Crazy traffic or a trip into Scenic Cumbria along the higher sections of the M6 which while bust isn't as Phycotic as the M60. They'd arrive at a nice small friendly new Terminal.
Ideally with free parking.
And if the Airport worked eventually pursuade EZY to try a few Seasonal Mediterranean destinations.
And also cover the Belfast flights lost from
Blackpool.
Manx2 can move there and not need to look.for a new airport.
The question is when is it due to open? ??
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Lest we remember Carlisle is right next to Newcastle airport and although I would like to see Carlisle do well, Newcastle will simply do what they did to MME, the logic doesn't really work with me, Air lingus regional flies a strong frequency to Newcastle which will be much more user friendly than carlisle, as well as cheaper due to competition.
It simply doesn't add up for me, and then saying EZY will be interested, no no no. The money is not to be made in the furthest North of England, they want new bases in affluent and populated areas, hence why the NCL base has been slowly degraded over time. Not to forget EasyJet don't serve small cities, they serve the big airports covering the catchment - Newcastle.
It simply doesn't add up for me, and then saying EZY will be interested, no no no. The money is not to be made in the furthest North of England, they want new bases in affluent and populated areas, hence why the NCL base has been slowly degraded over time. Not to forget EasyJet don't serve small cities, they serve the big airports covering the catchment - Newcastle.
