Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Carlisle

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 6th Mar 2015, 16:09
  #401 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,532
Received 83 Likes on 57 Posts
Stobart: redevelopment finished by September

News & Star | News | Business | Stobart: Carlisle Airport redevelopment finished by September
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 6th Mar 2015, 18:16
  #402 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,919
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Any idea what this has to do with the airport?

It will supply 5.2m tonnes of biomass fuel to Brite Partnership in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, over 20 years starting in 2017.

Is it the grass cuttings or the contents from a large septic tank!
N707ZS is offline  
Old 6th Mar 2015, 18:55
  #403 (permalink)  
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On the western edge of The Moor
Age: 67
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any idea what this has to do with the airport?
Nothing but as it's in the business section it is news about Stobarts.

Just as the final section is a comment about a totally unrelated shipping company in Barrow-in-Furness
west lakes is offline  
Old 28th Mar 2015, 16:39
  #404 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: London, UK & Europe
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Stobart will seek funding for DUB and BHD services, set up to fail before they may even start!
j636 is offline  
Old 28th Mar 2015, 17:02
  #405 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,532
Received 83 Likes on 57 Posts
SEN also, but if you can get Govt support, why not?
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 28th Mar 2015, 17:04
  #406 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: London, UK & Europe
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Fair point but when the tap runs out of money?

If you are investing in a passenger terminal etc then you really should ensure viable operations can work to justify an investment.
j636 is offline  
Old 28th Mar 2015, 17:08
  #407 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,532
Received 83 Likes on 57 Posts
Who said anything about investing in a terminal? Don't think there are any plans at present.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 29th Mar 2015, 16:47
  #408 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Suffolk, Diss, UK
Age: 50
Posts: 677
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As part of meeting the funding criteria it has to be shown that the route is commercially viable after 3 years when the money runs out.
NickBarnes is offline  
Old 29th Mar 2015, 18:41
  #409 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: SW Scotland
Age: 40
Posts: 413
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As part of meeting the funding criteria it has to be shown that the route is commercially viable after 3 years when the money runs out.
As part of the planning permission, Stobart submitted a report conducted by an independent analyst on the viability of the London and Dublin routes:

6.172
APD’s ‘Likely’ forecast indicates that for a Southend route, beyond Year 9,
the load factor would be in excess of 58% and the ‘LIKELY’ Load Factor on
Dublin/Irish Sea Routes would be in excess of 58%, beyond Year 4.(para.
2.9).

6.173
APD expect a daily service to Dublin (6 days per week) would generate
about 14,300 passengers in Year 2, significantly less than Aer Arran’s
break-even point of 58% seat utilisation for a single daily rotation, but ‘break
even’ would be achieved in Year 3 with 17,366 passengers. However,
after the initial establishment of the route, by Year 4, the airline could
consider the introduction of a double daily rotation to Dublin or a second
daily rotation to an alternative destination on the Island (e.g. Belfast), in
which case a ‘break even Load Factor’ of 58% on a double daily rotation
may be achievable by Year 7, with over 33,000 passengers.(para. 2.14).

So 9 years to reach break even on Southend, 3/4 on Dublin. So the Dublin route may qualify, but is it sustainable without having Southend too?

No study has ever been carried out for Belfast.
nighthawk117 is offline  
Old 29th Mar 2015, 21:00
  #410 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Gateshead, UK
Age: 25
Posts: 1,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't think 9 years would ever be considered a feasible amount of time to wait for profitability or break even, is there demand for Belfast? Do many Cumbrians drive to Newcastle to fly there? Or get the ferry? I have no idea...

Southend makes sense because... Well it's "London" and Dublin makes sense for the onward connections mainly, but Belfast? I really don't know. I'd have thought Belfast could work to BHD with Citywing
EK77WNCL is offline  
Old 30th Mar 2015, 07:41
  #411 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: UK
Age: 75
Posts: 2,694
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I don't think I would have a lot of faith in a feasibility study which seriously suggested it could look 9 years ahead in this industry.
Expressflight is online now  
Old 30th Mar 2015, 08:18
  #412 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,532
Received 83 Likes on 57 Posts
It was a feasibility study designed to convince a council...
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 30th Mar 2015, 09:49
  #413 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: SW Scotland
Age: 40
Posts: 413
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Southend makes sense because... Well it's "London" and Dublin makes sense for the onward connections mainly, but Belfast? I really don't know. I'd have thought Belfast could work to BHD with Citywing
I'm not sure Southend does make sense - not with a direct rail link to central London. I can't see anyone other than Stobart operating from Carlisle.
nighthawk117 is offline  
Old 30th Mar 2015, 10:32
  #414 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: jersey
Age: 74
Posts: 1,483
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
SWBKCB

That says it all !
kcockayne is offline  
Old 5th Apr 2015, 20:59
  #415 (permalink)  
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On the western edge of The Moor
Age: 67
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Lots of work ongoing to the east of the 01 threshold and up to the A689.
Framework of the new buildings also visible
west lakes is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2015, 10:37
  #416 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: on the border line
Posts: 667
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question Carlisle airport progress?

An earlier post stated Stobart confirming all Airport redevelopment work will be complete by September ..so 4 months to go.
Passed there a couple of days ago and the only work I could see was on the road infrastructure for the new massive distribution centre and of course the monstrosity of the centre itself.
Any one know how the actual airport And route developments are going?
highwideandugly is online now  
Old 2nd Jun 2015, 15:26
  #417 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,532
Received 83 Likes on 57 Posts
September is phase 1 - the big sheds for trucks. Don't think there is anything related. Don't think there are dates for phase 2 which I think includes the runway work and new aprons.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 2nd Jun 2015, 16:40
  #418 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Gateshead, UK
Age: 25
Posts: 1,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When do Ryanair start?

Joking aside... I can see them actually making a good shot at it to be fair to them.... And if the price was right people might actually travel from MAN/GLA/NCL to use CAX instead. You can do a lot with 1 frame when you have as high utilization as Ryanair.
EK77WNCL is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2015, 19:46
  #419 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,532
Received 83 Likes on 57 Posts
Not the infrastructure at CAX to support 737 ops.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 2nd Jun 2015, 19:56
  #420 (permalink)  
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On the western edge of The Moor
Age: 67
Posts: 1,100
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As a FR base pilot once told me when I asked "We could not take off from there with more than a 50% load, so it would be an absolute no go."

I doubt that Easyjet would be much different
west lakes is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.