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Not an obvious choice, but on the other hand not a complete jump in the dark. A lot of SSJ100 equipment is from western (even European) partners. For the engines, for example:
- The Customer Support Center (CSC) is based in France
- Distribution Centers (to date, two in France and one in Russia) supplying all spare parts.
- MRO Centers (to date, one in France and one in Russia).
- Customer staff training, with two complete training centers, in France and Russia.
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Can Cityjet hold on at London City? With BE (although it seems their loads aren't too good so far, even if it is a bit soon to make a judgement IMHO) in there now and BACF taking both of them on Cityjet seems to be the loser as there isn't much to differentiate them from BACF whereas BE offers lower fares.
Could Cityjet make a move so that their main operations are not at LCY? DUB? more from CWL? MAN, EDI, NCL?
Not that I know of many/any untapped or underserved routes that could be operated apart from a few EU routes from NCL. I dunno what the demand for routes is out of the others that could be operated. In the case of NCL though, Berlin, Munich, Milan, maybe Madrid, Bordeaux? Norway routes and Frankfurt etc. would be better off by SAS/LH
Could Cityjet make a move so that their main operations are not at LCY? DUB? more from CWL? MAN, EDI, NCL?
Not that I know of many/any untapped or underserved routes that could be operated apart from a few EU routes from NCL. I dunno what the demand for routes is out of the others that could be operated. In the case of NCL though, Berlin, Munich, Milan, maybe Madrid, Bordeaux? Norway routes and Frankfurt etc. would be better off by SAS/LH
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As I say NCL was only an idea because I have a slight knowledge of underved routes that there is a demand for.
I'd see CWL, EDI and cities on the continent as most likely if they were to do something, but I'd hate to see Cityjet get the sh*t kicked out of them at LCY and be left with little alternatives.
I'd see CWL, EDI and cities on the continent as most likely if they were to do something, but I'd hate to see Cityjet get the sh*t kicked out of them at LCY and be left with little alternatives.
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The logical next London base for Cityjet if they flee LCY is Southend. They will have ready new business awaiting for Belfast, Edinburgh, Newquay and Krakow to name but 4 destinations that EZY gave up when carryings for the 319's seemed fairly good but would be even better for the smaller aircraft that Cityjet
operate.
They also use SEN for diversions from LCY therefore aware of the good rail connection to London and fast transits through the terminal, similar to that at LCY.
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They also use SEN for diversions from LCY therefore aware of the good rail connection to London and fast transits through the terminal, similar to that at LCY.
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With respect to suggest that CityJet could make vacant routes at NCL work, when they cannot make a previously 'busy' route like CWL GLA work suggests that this is pie in the sky.
They cannot complete in a market where they are well established where there is a grand supply of customers i.e. London City. Routes like EDI LCY which was there flagship route for many years was not sustainable and axed.
They need to redefine where they are at with their strategy and identify what their point of difference is. The airline has never made sustainable returns except for maybe 2-3 years during the Irish Celtic Tiger. Prior to that it stumbled from one near bankruptcy even to the next.
The key issue at the point that AF came in to invest was the scale of the operation and relative costs. Divesting VLM piece only brings that scenario about again, higher unit costs. The organisation in my view needs to define how they intend to play in the game, and currently their single biggest market is under siege, Dublin London.
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I wouldn't agree that SEN is the right place for Cityjet. While routes like BFS KRK and EDI had boardings that may be attractive for Cityjet, however, there is very low chances that Cityjet would capture these numbers. Also given Cityjet pricing approach, they are unlikely to attract anywhere near these numbers. EasyJet were charging very low fares on BFS SEN even close to travel dates, I'd suggest that outside of FRI and SUN the route was very marginal.
If Cityjet can fill all the gaps in the timetable ex LCY and then make right route choices and stay out of the way of BA they may just be able to carve a niche for themselves. However, sadly it seems that this opportunity has passed as BE has arrived on scene etc.
Incidentally, does anybody know for LCY what is the level of gaps in terms of slots, are there much slots available especially at peak flying times?
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With respect to suggest that CityJet could make vacant routes at NCL work, when they cannot make a previously 'busy' route like CWL GLA work suggests that this is pie in the sky.
They cannot complete in a market where they are well established where there is a grand supply of customers i.e. London City. Routes like EDI LCY which was there flagship route for many years was not sustainable and axed.
They need to redefine where they are at with their strategy and identify what their point of difference is. The airline has never made sustainable returns except for maybe 2-3 years during the Irish Celtic Tiger. Prior to that it stumbled from one near bankruptcy even to the next.
The key issue at the point that AF came in to invest was the scale of the operation and relative costs. Divesting VLM piece only brings that scenario about again, higher unit costs. The organisation in my view needs to define how they intend to play in the game, and currently their single biggest market is under siege, Dublin London.
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I wouldn't agree that SEN is the right place for Cityjet. While routes like BFS KRK and EDI had boardings that may be attractive for Cityjet, however, there is very low chances that Cityjet would capture these numbers. Also given Cityjet pricing approach, they are unlikely to attract anywhere near these numbers. EasyJet were charging very low fares on BFS SEN even close to travel dates, I'd suggest that outside of FRI and SUN the route was very marginal.
If Cityjet can fill all the gaps in the timetable ex LCY and then make right route choices and stay out of the way of BA they may just be able to carve a niche for themselves. However, sadly it seems that this opportunity has passed as BE has arrived on scene etc.
Incidentally, does anybody know for LCY what is the level of gaps in terms of slots, are there much slots available especially at peak flying times?
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I can see things not going too well for them at LCY... I mean in all honesty... Look at their routes and what would happen if they went:
AMS - Could easily be taken over by BA+BE frequency increases, BE could offer the KLM codeshares
ANR - VLM will probably be taking this over next year anyway
DRS - Its only UK route, is it important? Are loads good? If so BE could have a go, if not it would probably be lost.
DUB - BE and BA would have this in no time, even EIR might rock up in the city?
FLR - BACF already competes
NTE - Could EZY absorb these pax? Or BE might start up
ORY - An interesting one, Cityjet is the only operator on this route, IIRC this has always been a Cityjet route too, could VLM take it? Could BACF start CDG, BE take over and offer AF codeshares or could LCY see operation by HOP!?
RTM - BACF would have it covered
AVN/BES/BVE/DOL/TLN - Probably lost... Or could be moved to SEN
A few others could work from SEN, simply due to lower operating fees
AMS - Could easily be taken over by BA+BE frequency increases, BE could offer the KLM codeshares
ANR - VLM will probably be taking this over next year anyway
DRS - Its only UK route, is it important? Are loads good? If so BE could have a go, if not it would probably be lost.
DUB - BE and BA would have this in no time, even EIR might rock up in the city?
FLR - BACF already competes
NTE - Could EZY absorb these pax? Or BE might start up
ORY - An interesting one, Cityjet is the only operator on this route, IIRC this has always been a Cityjet route too, could VLM take it? Could BACF start CDG, BE take over and offer AF codeshares or could LCY see operation by HOP!?
RTM - BACF would have it covered
AVN/BES/BVE/DOL/TLN - Probably lost... Or could be moved to SEN
A few others could work from SEN, simply due to lower operating fees
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I can see things not going too well for them at LCY... I mean in all honesty... Look at their routes and what would happen if they went:
AMS - Could easily be taken over by BA+BE frequency increases, BE could offer the KLM codeshares
ANR - VLM will probably be taking this over next year anyway
DRS - Its only UK route, is it important? Are loads good? If so BE could have a go, if not it would probably be lost.
DUB - BE and BA would have this in no time, even EIR might rock up in the city?
FLR - BACF already competes
NTE - Could EZY absorb these pax? Or BE might start up
ORY - An interesting one, Cityjet is the only operator on this route, IIRC this has always been a Cityjet route too, could VLM take it? Could BACF start CDG, BE take over and offer AF codeshares or could LCY see operation by HOP!?
RTM - BACF would have it covered
AVN/BES/BVE/DOL/TLN - Probably lost... Or could be moved to SEN
A few others could work from SEN, simply due to lower operating fees
AMS - Could easily be taken over by BA+BE frequency increases, BE could offer the KLM codeshares
ANR - VLM will probably be taking this over next year anyway
DRS - Its only UK route, is it important? Are loads good? If so BE could have a go, if not it would probably be lost.
DUB - BE and BA would have this in no time, even EIR might rock up in the city?
FLR - BACF already competes
NTE - Could EZY absorb these pax? Or BE might start up
ORY - An interesting one, Cityjet is the only operator on this route, IIRC this has always been a Cityjet route too, could VLM take it? Could BACF start CDG, BE take over and offer AF codeshares or could LCY see operation by HOP!?
RTM - BACF would have it covered
AVN/BES/BVE/DOL/TLN - Probably lost... Or could be moved to SEN
A few others could work from SEN, simply due to lower operating fees
ORY exists these days in order to occupy ORY slots on behalf of AF. The Eurostar has very effectively eliminated the main reason for this route to exist. LCY-CDG doesn't work: CDG is less attractive than ORY for point-to-point passengers to/from central Paris, and connecting passengers from LCY on AF/KLM can connect better through AMS.
In summary, I agree with you. I can't see any LCY route where the loss of Cityjet would cause more than a momentary blip.
(An earlier poster suggested KRK as a destination. This would be even crazier than Cityjet's recent Cambridge misadventure. The Avro RJ is so slow that essentally relies on the rotation of the earth to cover any sector longer than about 400nm, with correspondingly poor operating economics. Southend is not a logical base for Cityjet - without a sustainable network, nowhere is a logical base for them.)