Cityjet

[Fokkeriaan]

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[AirGuru]

Deal was signed, according to the Regional Airline Conference yesterday that the first thing on Intro's agenda is fleet renewal. Intro will take control of CityJet and VLM in around 4 weeks time.

[sam dilly]

Not forgetting the TITAN flights in the summer STN -LDE at 11.00, 737 or 757, 25kgs baggage, and a cup of tea included, and jetways at each end

[hph304]

According to some Belgian websites, Intro has a business plan which states that VLM would be brought back to life, meaning that the F50's would get their VLM livery back. I couldn't find this business plan though.

Article: http://www.flightlevel.be/40026/tweede-geboorte-van-vlm-airlines and Binnenkort opnieuw vliegen met VLM Airlines? - De Standaard

[Cyrano]

I note that VLM recently joined ERA, the European Regional Airline Association, in its own right, rather than just making use of its parent CityJet's membership. That suggests to me (in line with the above) that there is indeed interest in raising VLM's independent profile.

[Jet Set Willie]

This makes total sense really. Looks at INTROs past. Break up the company into profitable (VLM) and non-profitable (Cityjet) bits. Then sell on the profitable bit when they are good to go as an independent outfit. The interesting bit will be what they will do with Cityjet!!

[virginblue]

However - not much left of the former VLM glory. Couple of routes axed (LCY-LUX, RTM-HAM, ANR-MAN), others with a lot of additional competition (LCY-AMS/RTM/ANR).

[VickersVicount]

how are the CityJet CWL routes doing. Always seems to be lots of cancellations

[bcn_boy]

The CWL routes are picking up quite well, the cancellations have been due to aircraft going tech and a lot of bad weather recently.

[mathers_wales_uk]

The Cancellations should be minimised now that engeneers have now been based at Cardiff since the commencing of the EDI & soon to be JER services on 30MAR with 3 based aircraft.

There has been no cancellation since that date in exception to Monday where one flight was cancelled & combined due to crew sickness according to another discussion forum.

[racedo]

Cityjet fleet set for a multi-million euro upgrade to become 'standalone' airline - Independent.ie

Seems like someone has lots of money to spend on fleet upgrade.

[EI-BUD]

Hypothetically, if City jet acquired some of AF's (or from any source) Airbus 318, would there be much involved in making them London City ops ready? I understand BA's 2 examples are modified for LCY ops.

[Skipness One Echo]

Flying A318s out of LCY against ERJ190s would not be wise, they're tricky to make money with and cost a whole lot more to operate than the Embraers.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

Hypothetically, if City jet acquired some of AF's (or from any source) Airbus 318, would there be much involved in making them London City ops ready? I understand BA's 2 examples are modified for LCY ops.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, makes money with A318s. The only mitigating factor is the commonality (crew and spares) with their larger siblings, for airlines with a diverse fleet of Airbus narrowbodies. They are considerably heavier than Embraers and have higher fuel consumption. They are dogs with wings. You have only to look at the derisory numbers in service (and the even more derisory numbers bought by lessors, who are entirely focused on profitability, unlike many airlines ).

[CCR]

More likely they will go for Embraer 190 or Bombardier C series if they get a good deal.

[EK77WNCL]

Bit out there but if they are going to splash out on some big new jets, how about the An148/158 or SSJ100? They are cheaper and just as reliable.

[davidjohnson6]

In the event that an An148 or SSJ 100 should go tech away from a Cityjet engineering base, how easy is it to find engineering resources (parts and labour with appropriate paperwork) to fix it ? For an airline substantially based at a very expensive airport with minimal spare space and aimed at time poor passengers paying very expensive fares, what would be the cost to Cityjet of aircraft needing a long time to fix tech issues ?
How easy is it to attract and retain pilots and engineers on Russian aircraft in Western Europe which have not been great commercial successes outside the former USSR so far ?

Outside the former USSR (or countries recently subject to sanctions by the EU or USA) while not impossible it's harder to make a business case

[SWBKCB]

the 146 and Fk50 are hardly frontline types now - if the An148 or SSJ were given a foothold in Western Europe their manufacturers would be trying very hard indeed (still think there is no chance, tho)

and anybody familiar with a 146 should be able to find there way around a An148!

[thebig C]

Surprised the Mitsubishi MRJ hasn't been mentioned in this context. Its finally starting to clock up a few substantial orders, but, you could probably get a great deal as none are based in Europe.

The range and capacity seem particularly suitable for wx!!

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[EI-BUD]

My question was specifically if WX got their hands on 318's could they easily be modified for LCY ops...???

I know 318 not considered efficient in terms of op costs, that is well documented