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Can someone confirm for me CityJet's bases? Is it just DUB, LCY and CDG? I know for instance that they operate daily red-eye flights from Nuremberg, Turin and Newcastle to CDG on behalf of AF and their own early flight from AMS to LCY. Are the crew put up in hotels overnight in order to operate these early morning routes or are some of these other airports bases also?
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In August 2014 it was studying the CSeries variants and the SSJ 100-95 is also under consideration.
Intro Aviation warms to the CSeries for Cityjet fleet renewal - ch-aviation.com
Intro Aviation warms to the CSeries for Cityjet fleet renewal - ch-aviation.com
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Currently studying the CSeries variants and the SSJ 100-95 is also under consideration.
Intro Aviation warms to the CSeries for Cityjet fleet renewal - ch-aviation.com
Intro Aviation warms to the CSeries for Cityjet fleet renewal - ch-aviation.com
My sense that what makes it complex is the fact that CityJet is in a fight for survival on its core DUB-LCY route, no longer has a defensible LCY network or indeed any clear strategy, and remains stubbornly far away from break even.
My knowledge on CityJet is a little rusty 
Cityjet announced last week that the CEO has left the company with immediate effect. The deputy CEO / CFO resigned 4 months earlier.
Something is clearly up - anyone know more ?
Something is clearly up - anyone know more ?
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The old CEO Pat Byrne was back in a few months ago and now miss Ourmiers is (thrown?) out. Also, most employees looking to leave. I was there about 4 years ago, hardly anyone left that I can rezognize nowadays... 
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What about an Aer Lingus franchise? Is that possible
Could feed passengers through Dub
Correct me if I'm wrong but surely Aer Lingus would be the better know airline even for the city market
Also gives EI presence at another London airport
Could feed passengers through Dub
Correct me if I'm wrong but surely Aer Lingus would be the better know airline even for the city market
Also gives EI presence at another London airport
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An ageing fleet
A lack of vision
Increasing competition at LCY & CWL
It doesn't bode well. They need to find a way to modernise & develop a niche/differentiator or I fear for their future
A lack of vision
Increasing competition at LCY & CWL
It doesn't bode well. They need to find a way to modernise & develop a niche/differentiator or I fear for their future
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CityJet doing a TV and Radio campaign in Ireland. Think it started in the last week. So they must know something we don't, maybe getting ready to thrown the kitchen sink at things.
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BHD2BFS,
I think an ei franchise highly unlikely and these rumours even on this thread about uncertainty etc. Would not help the case. There is history between the 2 and Pat Byrne has said as much. This specifically relates to failing to throw a lifeline to Cityjet when it nearly folded years ago..but at that time AerLingus wanted the LCY business, but not so much now.
I can't see how their cost base and aging fleet would enable them to be competitive in Aer Lingus livery. The franchise with VS as Virgin Atlantic Cityjet was a costly exit.
They need to find a niche, I'm not sure where that is. We havent seen in Europe the regional operators who do large scale operations for large network operators like we,ve seen in the US. Thought BE would go there but evidently not.
Cityjet as it stands is too small and undifferentiated to be sustainable in my view and from a cost perspective 4 engined ARJ's don't help.
I think an ei franchise highly unlikely and these rumours even on this thread about uncertainty etc. Would not help the case. There is history between the 2 and Pat Byrne has said as much. This specifically relates to failing to throw a lifeline to Cityjet when it nearly folded years ago..but at that time AerLingus wanted the LCY business, but not so much now.
I can't see how their cost base and aging fleet would enable them to be competitive in Aer Lingus livery. The franchise with VS as Virgin Atlantic Cityjet was a costly exit.
They need to find a niche, I'm not sure where that is. We havent seen in Europe the regional operators who do large scale operations for large network operators like we,ve seen in the US. Thought BE would go there but evidently not.
Cityjet as it stands is too small and undifferentiated to be sustainable in my view and from a cost perspective 4 engined ARJ's don't help.
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EI-BUD raises some very good points.
Cityjet may just have been thrown a lifeline with the fall in oil prices. I've no idea how hedged they were but could they be reaping the benefits on oil that cancels out the high fuel burn on the RJ fleet?
Don't get me wrong, that's never going to be enough to save the airline but it may provide a bit more time, as did the recent sale and lease back on the fleet. Any sort of relationship with EI is very unlikely in my view, especially in light of the discussions that EI is having with IAG. Far more likely that EI would code with BA on their LCY route before long I think.
RE appear to have been saved by their relationship with EI and aligning with a major EU carrier is certainly the most likely way for smaller scale regionals to survive but that's precisely what Cityjet had, and that's what offered the protection for so long. having had that security removed, I just don't know where they can go without massively downsizing and taking stock, perhaps pursuing some PSO routes in Ireland.
I think that the big difference here in Europe is that most of the regional feed provided to he likes of LH and AF are wholly owned by their parent. These parent organisations need to take some very hard decisions to close their operations and effectively start again but with AF being partially government owned, how can he socialist government be seen to put so many people out of work?
I think it will happen, but the question is when..... but when it does then I think you'll find the likes of BE ready to step in with a solution. They've been very careful to not align too heavily with any single EU major. The coming years will be interesting but we could find little changes over that time.
Cityjet may just have been thrown a lifeline with the fall in oil prices. I've no idea how hedged they were but could they be reaping the benefits on oil that cancels out the high fuel burn on the RJ fleet?
Don't get me wrong, that's never going to be enough to save the airline but it may provide a bit more time, as did the recent sale and lease back on the fleet. Any sort of relationship with EI is very unlikely in my view, especially in light of the discussions that EI is having with IAG. Far more likely that EI would code with BA on their LCY route before long I think.
RE appear to have been saved by their relationship with EI and aligning with a major EU carrier is certainly the most likely way for smaller scale regionals to survive but that's precisely what Cityjet had, and that's what offered the protection for so long. having had that security removed, I just don't know where they can go without massively downsizing and taking stock, perhaps pursuing some PSO routes in Ireland.
I think that the big difference here in Europe is that most of the regional feed provided to he likes of LH and AF are wholly owned by their parent. These parent organisations need to take some very hard decisions to close their operations and effectively start again but with AF being partially government owned, how can he socialist government be seen to put so many people out of work?
I think it will happen, but the question is when..... but when it does then I think you'll find the likes of BE ready to step in with a solution. They've been very careful to not align too heavily with any single EU major. The coming years will be interesting but we could find little changes over that time.
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What happening with the fleet - the logical replacements for the Fokker 50s are ATR42-500s and the an E-Jet for the RJs.
I remember reading that they were going replace the RJs with used E190s by the end of 2016? Is this happening?
I remember reading that they were going replace the RJs with used E190s by the end of 2016? Is this happening?
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I'd estimate any fleet renewal to be years away, if indeed it happens at all. Any hope of leasing E190s is cloud cuckoo stuff now I think, much as I wouldn't wish a downfall at all.
When they made those comments they stated that the fleet renewal was the plan if the competitive situation remained the same. In the time since BE and BA have launched in competition on their flagship route and now BE have hit them at CWL. I can't help but think that in selling VLM, they got rid of the bit of the business that was most robust and most likely to pull a profit and help them out of the mire they find themselves in.
When they made those comments they stated that the fleet renewal was the plan if the competitive situation remained the same. In the time since BE and BA have launched in competition on their flagship route and now BE have hit them at CWL. I can't help but think that in selling VLM, they got rid of the bit of the business that was most robust and most likely to pull a profit and help them out of the mire they find themselves in.
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How about they looked at some niche regional UK & Irish operations?
Routes like Waterford - London & elsewhere, Sligo to London, Londonderry to London & elsewhere? They'd suit a Fokker 50 type aircraft.
Isle of Man could do with an airline that does what Manx once did there. Another niche they could develop?
Routes like Waterford - London & elsewhere, Sligo to London, Londonderry to London & elsewhere? They'd suit a Fokker 50 type aircraft.
Isle of Man could do with an airline that does what Manx once did there. Another niche they could develop?