Cityjet

[Skipness One Echo]

Historically LCY-AMS was KLM Cityhopper with F50s against VLM. The primary handling agent was KLM Ground Services until quite recently. It only went to WX when WX/AF/KL/VG were thrown haphazardly together.

I imagine KLM would take it back in an instant.

[EK77WNCL]

Do KL's E190's have the steep approach paraphernalia they need? I assume they can change the computers pretty easily if needs be. (Althought spotter me wants to be able to experience a fk70 rocketing out of LCY).

For their sake I hope Cityjet think up something quick, stop focusing on LCY, get some new frames and see what they can do for themselves. (although again, don't want the RJ's to go)

[Jet Set Willie]

Not just a software update for the E190, requires a mod which has only so far been fitted when actually building the airframe. Therefore unless mistaken, won't see a KLM E190 in there. VLM SSJ100 wet lease maybe?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Jet Set Willie

Therefore unless mistaken, won't see a KLM E190 in there.

You may find the KLM pilots union taking a very different view.

[arfortune]

Seems KLM could operate if they want to; E190s can operate into LCY without physical modification - Embraer 190 begins approach tests at London City - 3/31/2009 - Flight Global

[Rain dog]

That article regards testing being performed in early 2009.

[figgi_gsm]

CWL services due to start with Stobart Air ATR42 EI-EHH from December 1st.

[Letsflycwl]

What's that meant to mean about CWL ? City Jet are using an ATR42 instead of F50 on the EDI & ORY routes ?

[cumbrianboy]

Yes the F50 is going and a cityjet branded atr 42 op by Stobart is taking its place from 1 December. I have a picture of the branded atr just don't know how to upload from my phone!

CB

[Letsflycwl]

Strange decision but obvious reasons behind it for WX, will this lead to extra flights for the F50 or is it just going to be an ATR42 only ?

[virginblue]

With the VLM arm sold, Cityjet no longer has the Fokker 50 in its fleet. So it is either leasing in a VLM Fokker 50 or a Stobart Air ATR42 (or any other 50 seater prop), whoever makes the better offer.

BE would not be allowed to codeshare with KLM as they already put the KL code on two routes (INV-AMS and SOU-AMS) and there is a hard rule negotiated with the KLM pilots' union prohibiting more than 2 codeshared routes with any external carrier.

I am pretty sure that if that was the problem, the code-share on INV-AMS would be unceremoniously dumped within seconds to free a code-share up for LCY-AMS. Or is the agreement exactly for the INV/SOU routes ?

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by virginblue

I am pretty sure that if that was the problem, the code-share on INV-AMS would be unceremoniously dumped within seconds to free a code-share up for LCY-AMS. Or is the agreement exactly for the INV/SOU routes ?

The general KLM limitation is 2 routes, any 2 routes. So yes, you're absolutely right: if BE had the opportunity to fly LCY-AMS with a KL code they would in all probability dump the INV codeshare. I'm just not sure that KL will be allowed to give them that opportunity...

[SealinkBF]

They could still operate a codeshare in all but name, surely?

[arfortune]

Rain dog That article regards testing being performed in early 2009.

Indeed, but it states

The Embraer 190 requires no physical modification to perform the approach.

which I'd hoped helped the previous conversations.

[Cyrano]

And to follow on from arfortune's post, see here, which refers to the steep approach modification being a software mod.

I don't think that there would be any significant technical obstacle to KLM operating E190s into LCY if they chose to do so. Rostering flight crew to make sure they stay current on LCY ops would be as big an issue (and of course this can be solved too).

In my view, KLM would be unlikely to look externally for an AMS-LCY solution when they have the ability to serve this route internally through Cityhopper (and where they can potentially use the offer of the route to Cityhopper as a sweetener in other negotiations with their pilots).

But to return to the subject of this thread, Cityjet...

I believe that as part of the sale of Cityjet, a codeshare agreement with AF/KL was put in place for a period of (I suspect) 3 years, so Cityjet can at least rely on benefitting from the KL code on routes like LCY-AMS for that long.

(That's if any profits from LCY-AMS are sufficient to compensate for the cash drain from the LCY-DUB bloodbath. )

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

Incidentally, does anybody know for LCY what is the level of gaps in terms of slots, are there much slots available especially at peak flying times?

Apologies, you asked this a few days ago and I meant to reply but forgot. See the always interesting ACL report (PDF), this one for the current winter season. Page 11 shows allocated slots vs capacity - with the exception of arrivals in the 0800 hour and departures in the 1900 hour, there looks to be capacity available.

[Letsflycwl]

What future plans does Cityjet have for CWL with the Stobart Air ATR 42 ? Will we be seeing the return of JER & GLA ? Or are we just having the one based ATR42 for Summer 2015 ?

[EI-BUD]

Thank you Cyrano!

[Jerbourg]

Sign codeshare deal with Blue Islands...


Blue Islands enters codeshare with Cityjet - Business News | businesslife.co

[davidjohnson6]

Deauville

Ryanair have very recently announced a Stansted-Deauville route for Mon+Fri each week in summer 2015
Flybe have announced a 4x weekly Bournemouth-Deauville route. Whether Stobart continue their Southend-Caen route beyond March 2015 has not yet been officially announced.

Can Cityjet survive commercially on a 2x weekly LCY-DOL route ? Yes I've flown Deauville to London on a summer Sunday early evening with Cityjet and am aware the passenger profile is rather different from the average Ryanair passenger profile.