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EI-EHH has been entered into service and has been operating since at least the 30th as it has been operating in/out of CWL.
The aircraft is all white with not Aer Arann logos as of yet.
The aircraft is all white with not Aer Arann logos as of yet.
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bananaman thanks for the update. I knew about the 2 they'd sold on to Goldenair alright and the others that they had taken delivery of.
Given the current positive rumours and if they do come to fruition I wonder how soon they could take delivery of any of these or what the time frame for delivery is.
I understand from another thread that there is interest in two ex Alitalia 725's but again this is just conjecture at the moment.
Mathers thank you too.
Hoping for some positive news from Arann this year.
Given the current positive rumours and if they do come to fruition I wonder how soon they could take delivery of any of these or what the time frame for delivery is.
I understand from another thread that there is interest in two ex Alitalia 725's but again this is just conjecture at the moment.
Mathers thank you too.
Hoping for some positive news from Arann this year.
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The last time I checked Ascend Online the four outstanding orders were due for delivery between March and June '10. From memory it was at a rate of one a month. I'd imagine there's some hard decisions being made in the airline at the moment as to whether or not to take the new A/C. On the assumption that the aircraft are needed.....With the number of available ATR72-500's on the lease market, it must make the lease rates very attractive relative the large cash / debt required to take delivery of new aircraft. I doubt Aer Arann have a great credit rating so presumably any financing they have access to is at a high(ish) interest rate. This could explain the rumored interest in the ex AZ ATR's. The alternative of course would be to do a sale and lease back arrangement with Nordic Aviation who are the lessor for the rest of the non RE financed aircraft.
On the subject of this potential growth spurt, I'd much prefer to see them take a steady growth route. The potential deal with EI would be a great bonus but I'm sure they realise that a quick expansion can be deadly to a company from a number of reasons e.g. cashflow. If there is an EI deal, I hope it's "soft launch" with perhaps one or two routes and then gradually expanded when both operators and passengers have more confidence in it.
On the subject of this potential growth spurt, I'd much prefer to see them take a steady growth route. The potential deal with EI would be a great bonus but I'm sure they realise that a quick expansion can be deadly to a company from a number of reasons e.g. cashflow. If there is an EI deal, I hope it's "soft launch" with perhaps one or two routes and then gradually expanded when both operators and passengers have more confidence in it.
Bananamanuk,
The Atr 42-500 has a great performance for a turboprop and a good TAS too but it is simply too expensive running on RE's network compared to a 72. The ATR45 has almost the same fuel flow as the 72 and takes 20ish pax less, not viable for RE's relative lower ticket prices. If you need new planes like RE believed a few years back then I think they made the right choice by only getting AT75 and use the older AT43 on thinner routes.
The Atr 42-500 has a great performance for a turboprop and a good TAS too but it is simply too expensive running on RE's network compared to a 72. The ATR45 has almost the same fuel flow as the 72 and takes 20ish pax less, not viable for RE's relative lower ticket prices. If you need new planes like RE believed a few years back then I think they made the right choice by only getting AT75 and use the older AT43 on thinner routes.
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Hi The Flying Cokeman
Firstly, what a cool name! - sorry but, true!
Secondly, and much more importantly, thanks very much for your very informative reply, I really appreciate that. I didn't know that the ATR42-500 had basically the same fuel flows as a 72-500. It's clear to me that Aer Arann made a huge investment (list prices of $18million each I think) for the 10 72s they ordered so no question they would have evaluated every conceivable option available. I just assumed - as a layman - that a smaller aircraft would be more economical on fuel than a larger aircraft, but one thing I do know is that aviation economics are far from straightforward as so many factors at play.
I flew LTN - WAT/GAL and GAL-LTN the other week, out we were on the new 72-500 REM, it was almost full going, but at the intermediate stop in Waterford almost everyone got off. On the RTN we ended up on the 42 BYO (Which i first flew in umm, dare I say, Ryanair colours!) the RTN was direct GAL-LTN and was probably 80% full, that got me thinking about right sizing in the current environment hence my original comments.
I do appreciate your comment, and it certainly helps clarify things in my mind. As a customer, I find Aer Arann a real pleasure because it's stress free and as such I want them to prosper and I think I've done more than many people would have the opportunity to do in so far as 'spreading the word and promoting RE'. It's funny, the airline industry is just to captivating.
Maybe these rumoured ex Alitalia 72-500's would be a smart move. There are a few pictures on the main airline photo website of 4 of them parked up, they must be available at pretty good rates now and would surely be cheaper than brand new.
Aside from this there are a few other niggling thoughts that I have such as, I wish Aer Arann would sort the paint schemes out, from a customer viewpoint I like seeing a clean well kept plane and a fleet that doesn't operate 4 liveries (Old, Blue/White, Celtic & plain white). It's just a small thing, but I think it maintains a good corporate image. There's other small things they could do, such as alowing people to pay more to increase hold luggage 15kgs is tight when you only have 7kgs on board. Let people have option to buy more like EZ do could be another money spinner. They should publish their flight stats on their website. These are types of things Air Southwest does and I think it looks good.
Don't get me wrong though, I know right now all airlines are conserving cash but I want to keep seeing Aer Arann punching above it's weight and building name/brand recognition.
Thanks again The Flying Cokeman :-)
Firstly, what a cool name! - sorry but, true!
Secondly, and much more importantly, thanks very much for your very informative reply, I really appreciate that. I didn't know that the ATR42-500 had basically the same fuel flows as a 72-500. It's clear to me that Aer Arann made a huge investment (list prices of $18million each I think) for the 10 72s they ordered so no question they would have evaluated every conceivable option available. I just assumed - as a layman - that a smaller aircraft would be more economical on fuel than a larger aircraft, but one thing I do know is that aviation economics are far from straightforward as so many factors at play.
I flew LTN - WAT/GAL and GAL-LTN the other week, out we were on the new 72-500 REM, it was almost full going, but at the intermediate stop in Waterford almost everyone got off. On the RTN we ended up on the 42 BYO (Which i first flew in umm, dare I say, Ryanair colours!) the RTN was direct GAL-LTN and was probably 80% full, that got me thinking about right sizing in the current environment hence my original comments.
I do appreciate your comment, and it certainly helps clarify things in my mind. As a customer, I find Aer Arann a real pleasure because it's stress free and as such I want them to prosper and I think I've done more than many people would have the opportunity to do in so far as 'spreading the word and promoting RE'. It's funny, the airline industry is just to captivating.
Maybe these rumoured ex Alitalia 72-500's would be a smart move. There are a few pictures on the main airline photo website of 4 of them parked up, they must be available at pretty good rates now and would surely be cheaper than brand new.
Aside from this there are a few other niggling thoughts that I have such as, I wish Aer Arann would sort the paint schemes out, from a customer viewpoint I like seeing a clean well kept plane and a fleet that doesn't operate 4 liveries (Old, Blue/White, Celtic & plain white). It's just a small thing, but I think it maintains a good corporate image. There's other small things they could do, such as alowing people to pay more to increase hold luggage 15kgs is tight when you only have 7kgs on board. Let people have option to buy more like EZ do could be another money spinner. They should publish their flight stats on their website. These are types of things Air Southwest does and I think it looks good.
Don't get me wrong though, I know right now all airlines are conserving cash but I want to keep seeing Aer Arann punching above it's weight and building name/brand recognition.
Thanks again The Flying Cokeman :-)
I haven't flown ATR for quite some years now and I cannot remember the exact cruise fuel burn anymore. I think it was around 500 kg for AT43 and 600/650 for AT45 and 700 for AT75. Strangely enough I still do remember holding fuel burn for them: Atr 42-300= 420 kg/hr, ATR45= 540 kg/hr, AT72/5= 600 kg/hr.
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rumour on the street
Rumour on the Street is that Aerarann are being invested in by Cadbury Chocolate company and all atr 72-500 aircraft are being changed into dairymilk bars
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Do you mean Cadbury are paying for advertising on the aircraft or are they going to break up the ATR's and cover them in chocolate??? 
I'd buy one!! probably not good for the teeth
I think Aer Arann should do a series of airline. I've always wanted to see how they operate behind the scenes.
Or maybe feature on the next series of the apprentice!!
I'd buy one!! probably not good for the teeth
I think Aer Arann should do a series of airline. I've always wanted to see how they operate behind the scenes.
Or maybe feature on the next series of the apprentice!!
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From today's Irish Times:
AER LINGUS and Aer Arann are in advanced talks about a commercial alliance that would see them operate joint flights from provincial UK cities to Dublin and Cork. But this will not involve Aer Lingus taking an equity stake in its rival.
It is understood that Aer Arann would operate feeder services on behalf of Aer Lingus from certain UK cities to its main Irish bases at Dublin and Cork. This is a form of code sharing that is common in the airline industry.
Aer Lingus and Aer Arann discuss new alliance - The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 06, 2010
AER LINGUS and Aer Arann are in advanced talks about a commercial alliance that would see them operate joint flights from provincial UK cities to Dublin and Cork. But this will not involve Aer Lingus taking an equity stake in its rival.
It is understood that Aer Arann would operate feeder services on behalf of Aer Lingus from certain UK cities to its main Irish bases at Dublin and Cork. This is a form of code sharing that is common in the airline industry.
Aer Lingus and Aer Arann discuss new alliance - The Irish Times - Wed, Jan 06, 2010
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aerarann should definitely have there own series,it should be shown on bravo at 11pm after the watershed steaming love sessions melting there chocolate aeroplanes,like a snack bar sacrificed to tea,if aerlingus and aerarann are in cahoots will all the airbus be turning chocolate
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This annoucement is excellent news and a will give both operators a boost. It will be great to see some increased frequencies on these routes relative the EI A320 service. I had a brief look today and it appears the Aer Arann ATR72-500 delivery schedule is 1 x March, 1 x April, 1 x June and the final one in August.
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P2C
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What exactly is the benefit of this? Aer Arann is already operating on thin routes across the Irish Sea, and feeding Aer Lingus flights from the UK makes little to no sense at all with the exception of US flights and maybe the odd flight to Spain. Where it would make sense from a pax point of view is seamless connections to the regional Irish airports, but those routes are subsidized anyway and from what I understand the situation at DUB still makes this impossible.
So what comes into play other than having an additional distribution channel for existing flights?
So what comes into play other than having an additional distribution channel for existing flights?
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The presumption in all of this is that EI will cede some regional UK routes to RE. The benefit being EI don't have to deploy an A320 on a short thin route and RE get access to a new route without having to face the competition of EI. The EI brand name will also have a higher degree of recognition amongst the public. Finally, the reduction in capacity on the routes will most likely lead to an increase in frequencies which will aid EI in attracting connecting customers.
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The presumption in all of this is that EI will cede some regional UK routes to RE.
Finally, the reduction in capacity on the routes will most likely lead to an increase in frequencies which will aid EI in attracting connecting customers.
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virginblue,
I would assume the RE/EI interline agreement on the Cork-Dublin route would be extended to all regional airports in Ireland & Aer Arann services to the UK & France.
I would assume the RE/EI interline agreement on the Cork-Dublin route would be extended to all regional airports in Ireland & Aer Arann services to the UK & France.
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DUB is not exactly in a useful geographic location as far as pax originating from the U.K. are concerned.
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I would assume the RE/EI interline agreement on the Cork-Dublin route would be extended to all regional airports in Ireland & Aer Arann services to the UK & France.
Believe it or not the airway taking a lot of traffic originating in GLA/EDI/PIK/MAN/LPL/BLK etc down towards the Bay of Biscay passes overhead DUB and ORK
I know. That's why I mentioned flights to Spain. But I do not think that this a major market for a DUB-hub in times of the Ryanair's and Easyjet's that are serving each and every Spanish milk-can nonstop from UK regional airports .
I know. That's why I mentioned flights to Spain. But I do not think that this a major market for a DUB-hub in times of the Ryanair's and Easyjet's that are serving each and every Spanish milk-can nonstop from UK regional airports .
