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Airlines, especially Ryanair will hardly ever pay published, or full fees, unless the airport is regulated or Heathrow
However even if they do pay fees there are plenty of ways the airport can find to get the money, sorry, marketing support, back to them
So no, it's not in theory possible for the airport to dictate but they can make it attractive or not to operate various routes.
However even if they do pay fees there are plenty of ways the airport can find to get the money, sorry, marketing support, back to them
So no, it's not in theory possible for the airport to dictate but they can make it attractive or not to operate various routes.
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Ryanair are having a press conference in Shannon at 9 30 on Monday morning, wouldn't be surprised if they take over some of the routes lost and maybe and another sun route
They would need a 3rd aircraft based and lets be honest marginal UK routes don't make business sense.
Agree but can always find gaps - short sectors and proven routes if they have volume targets these would be easy wins
Marginal routes are part of the cause of the problem the last time.
Learn from past mistakes and move on.
ATR 42/72 is 50/70 passengers.
Marginal route 35/50 passengers.
RYR B738 holds 180.
Its idea of a marginal route would be 100+.
Different ballgame entirely.
Passenger numbers is not the only metric, the yield from the number of passengers is more important.
I only gave the above numbers for illustration of the differences in the aircraft types.
RYR is not always the solution but the availability of smaller turboprops for the kind of marginal routes we are talking about is limited.
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MOL says they are looking at 2 of the 3 stobart routes to take over, i presume that's Birmingham and Edinburgh, guessing that they don't want to hurt their Knock Bristol route, and if that's true flybe don't operate into Bristol anymore so it probably wont return.
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The knock catchment is much bigger than Shannon's considering they serve most of the northwest and over to part if the midlands - the Bristol route is fairly well established and if anything could easily operate from both airports with ryanair as it did previously - looking at numbers Kaunas seems to have performed well at knock - Kaunas to shannon was more of a case of moving the Lithuanian and polish services up from cork
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In terms of pure numbers SNN did better than NOC for Ryanair on the BRS routes.
The annual passenger numbers on SNN-BRS were: 95,000 in 2006, 97,000 in 2007, 83,000 in 2008 and 81,000 in 2009 after which the route was one of many from SNN axed by Ryanair following a dispute with the airports authority.
The flight was daily and year-round although I have a recollection that it might have dropped to 6 x weekly in its latter days.
NOC started in winter 2007/2008 at 4 x weekly and ran year round for about three years although it had by then been reduced to 3 x weekly (which it remains) and it became summer-only from 2011. NOC-BRS annual passenger numbers were: 41,000 in 2008, 33,000 in 2009, 30,000 in 2010, 26,000 in 2011, 29,000 in 2012 and 28,000 in 2013.
I accept that there is not necessarily a link between loads and yields and 2006-2009 was then and now is now in terms of SNN-BRS.
NOC-BRS has certainly carried on summer after summer with load factors that are not stunning, to put it mildly. For example taking the last two summers from May to September in both years the monthly load factors were approximately:
2013: 57%, 58, 67, 80 and 59.
2014: 60, 54, 70, 86, 56.
Based on a 189-seat aircraft with the assumption that all advertised rotations operated.
The annual passenger numbers on SNN-BRS were: 95,000 in 2006, 97,000 in 2007, 83,000 in 2008 and 81,000 in 2009 after which the route was one of many from SNN axed by Ryanair following a dispute with the airports authority.
The flight was daily and year-round although I have a recollection that it might have dropped to 6 x weekly in its latter days.
NOC started in winter 2007/2008 at 4 x weekly and ran year round for about three years although it had by then been reduced to 3 x weekly (which it remains) and it became summer-only from 2011. NOC-BRS annual passenger numbers were: 41,000 in 2008, 33,000 in 2009, 30,000 in 2010, 26,000 in 2011, 29,000 in 2012 and 28,000 in 2013.
I accept that there is not necessarily a link between loads and yields and 2006-2009 was then and now is now in terms of SNN-BRS.
NOC-BRS has certainly carried on summer after summer with load factors that are not stunning, to put it mildly. For example taking the last two summers from May to September in both years the monthly load factors were approximately:
2013: 57%, 58, 67, 80 and 59.
2014: 60, 54, 70, 86, 56.
Based on a 189-seat aircraft with the assumption that all advertised rotations operated.
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Great analysis but numbers mean nothing - if ryanair put in the capacity at any airport they will get the numbers due to their low fares offering - if yin annualised knocks numbers and applied to a daily service year round they would be thereabouts in shannon numbers - it's a seasonal route at prob low enough yield either way - both airports could prob sustain a service
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The knock catchment is much bigger than Shannon's considering they serve most of the northwest and over to part if the midlands
- the Bristol route is fairly well established and if anything could easily operate from both airports with ryanair as it did previously
looking at numbers Kaunas seems to have performed well at knock -
Kaunas to shannon was more of a case of moving the Lithuanian and polish services up from cork
The Knock-Kaunas route was operated by a Kaunas based aircraft
The Shannon-Kaunas route is operated by a kaunas based aircraft.
This shows a simple route change.
Great analysis but numbers mean nothing - if ryanair put in the capacity at any airport they will get the numbers due to their low fares offering - if yin annualised knocks numbers and applied to a daily service year round they would be thereabouts in shannon numbers - it's a seasonal route at prob low enough yield either way - both airports could prob sustain a servic
Knock is a very seasonal airport, with its markets very limited to paddy going to the uk, paddy going to spain or an eastern european going between Ireland and their own country. Most of this traffic comes during the summer.
Shannon is still seasonal, but not so much as knock.
Shannons market is
Paddy and the odd english man going to the U.S
Paddy going to spain.
Paddy going to england
Paddy going to france.
An easter european going between ireland and their own country.
The population within 30mins of Shannon is far larger than knock, and they are the people who almost always fly from their respective airports.
Once you venture further, options become larger.
Galway has the option of Knock, Shannon and Dublin and they each have their advantages and disadvantages.
If ryanair seen good potential at knock, they would be using it.
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Aer Ryan - I'm a supporter of both airports - ryanair flies 13 routes from knock so obviously there's a significant market there - I seen a presentation on the knock site there 1m living within 90 minutes - despite the Lithuanian route being Kaunas it's quite clear they moved majority of their cork Eastern European stuff up to shannon in a row over charges - both shannon and knock are hugely seasonal aside from the US stuff shannon had no European access till this winter - aer lingus tried Paris before and didn't work - it's clear ryanair have got a very very attractive deal from shannon otherwise they wouldn't be flying to European cities during the winter -€13 to Paris in January - not much profit in that - but good luck to shannon make hay whilst the sun shines what will be very interesting to see is if cork get a similar deal from govt what will Ryanair do then ?? Ps numbers mean nothing it's all about yield and fees and charges - if it wasn't ryanair would never have pulled the routes previously from shannon eg Bristol
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Wroclaw and Lanzarote have run over winter for some time so technically it has had Europe access in Winter
Wroclaw and Lanzarote have run over winter for some time so technically it has had Europe access in Winter