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Old 20th Jun 2015, 16:13
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It seems that the Beauvais route did well in March.

189x13=2457x2=4914

3863/4914=79% LF.

Looks promising. The talk of losing the route has gone away I noticed as well.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 11:04
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Originally Posted by AerRyan
It seems that the Beauvais route did well in March.

189x13=2457x2=4914

3863/4914=79% LF.

Looks promising. The talk of losing the route has gone away I noticed as well.
Yet Ryanair could be hemorrhaging massively on the route, high LFs no longer give an insight into how a route performs. It's all down to GOBR (Generated On-Board Revenue) these days.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 11:07
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I disagree, I spent €250pp+(€70bag) on my holiday flights this summer, I plan on spending about €5 on the plane. Less if I'm on a €70 return flight to Paris.

I don't really get this, when Beauvais had low LF's it was said that it will fail, when it has high ones its noe said that they don't matter its all alternate revenues.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 11:42
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How the BVA route is performing is only known by FR relevant people. High load factor is an indicator, the higher the better, however, not only is it how much yield on the tickets, but it's the on-board sales and ancillary revenues. More than all of that is the toss up as to if other markets offer more.

Let's hope it is maintained.
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Old 21st Jun 2015, 15:48
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The W routing ex BVA help route survival.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 14:32
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if we go back a few years wasnt one of the main reasons ryanair had a large base at shannon was that buy on board sales were a large makeup of their operations at shannon. can it be said the fact that Beauvais is now starting to improve in terms of numbers anyways shows the new shannon airports management strategy of retention is showing results
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 18:40
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Originally Posted by gavinhicks
if we go back a few years wasnt one of the main reasons ryanair had a large base at shannon was that buy on board sales were a large makeup of their operations at shannon. can it be said the fact that Beauvais is now starting to improve in terms of numbers anyways shows the new shannon airports management strategy of retention is showing results
From looking at the airports across Ireland there seems to be significant improvement in loads on all services so think the general improvement in numbers traveling both from the Irish side and the overseas side is benefitting routes like this - great to see and hopefully continues
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 20:04
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As part of their new focus on Ireland, Falcon are looking at expansion at Shannon. They are also looking at Kerry, Cork and Knock.
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 20:12
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what markets would falcon be operating to not served from shannon, increased services to turkey or the greek market perhaps?
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Old 22nd Jun 2015, 20:31
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Could be anything tbh, from the increase of a service to 2pw to the introduction of a greece,turkey,Moroccan route etc.
Maybe ACE extended to the winter season?
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 05:07
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Shannon with FR was at one stage twice daily - against a twice daily AF service - so at the current x3 weekly the route should do well for the summer.

Aer Lingus failed on SNN CDG so the route is marginal without transit pax.

Could RE operate an AT72 to AMS with an KL codeshare?
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 06:53
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Originally Posted by Copenhagen
Shannon with FR was at one stage twice daily - against a twice daily AF service - so at the current x3 weekly the route should do well for the summer.

Aer Lingus failed on SNN CDG so the route is marginal without transit pax.

Could RE operate an AT72 to AMS with an KL codeshare?
Not unless the code share with EI in DUB and ORK is ended. KLM unions have an agreement for only 2 codeshares per country on non KLM metal

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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 10:26
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Which in fairness, is a another indication of how KLM are doomed to fail. That is a petty irrational rule.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 11:01
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Aside from KLM's rules, it's an awful long way in an ATR.

160NM longer than Stobart's current longest route (DUB-RNS).

You're looking at close to 3 hours, which isn't good for aircraft utilization and isn't going to be great for passenger comfort.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 11:09
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With that, prices would be exceptionally high too.

Best option would be a jet aircraft, eg. F70, B737-700, A319.
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Old 23rd Jun 2015, 13:11
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A daily f70 like Belfast would be a winner that would allow lots of onward connections and give iag some Heathrow competition
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 13:37
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AeroMéxico flight 3 (AM3), a 787 dreamliner diverting to SNN by the looks of it.
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 13:56
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RTE say a Fire in Cargo Hold
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 14:12
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Possible fire, nothing confirmed according to their source, AirLive.net
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Old 29th Jun 2015, 15:50
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I'd hardly be using AirLive.net as a source now being honest.
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