SHANNON

[Runway_approach]

Ya CSO 'airport pairings data' has numbers for all routes into and out of irish airports by month - usually three months behind but shows how routes performing - Eastern European routes seem to be doing very well but Paris and Munich look very very poor not sure how long more they last at the type of loads they been achieving

[AerRyan]

With Munich its no surprise. Paris is more of a surprise, but It will pick up. People are completly unaware of the Paris route, but they are becoming aware.

[Una Due Tfc]

The bus from Beauvais to Paris takes as long as driving from Shannon to Dublin. With Transavia starting Dublin-Orly that's what I'll be doing next time I go to Paris. Shannon is my local airport but Beauvais is just a massive pain in the ar$e

[AerRyan]

Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc

The bus from Beauvais to Paris takes as long as driving from Shannon to Dublin. With Transavia starting Dublin-Orly that's what I'll be doing next time I go to Paris. Shannon is my local airport but Beauvais is just a massive pain in the ar$e

With your attitide towards the airport, I doubt you'd be flying from Shannon if there was free flights to CDG


Id somehow doubt that it takes 2hrs 30mins to get from Beauvais to Paris. The flights to Beauvais would also be cheaper than Orly.

But of course, we all have a choice. Thats the great thing about Ireland isn't it?

[Una Due Tfc]

It was 2 hours from Shannon to Dublin tower for me last time I did it. Bus from Beauvais to Paris was 2 and half last time I got it, although traffic was fairly heavy.

I'd certainly use a SNN-CDG service again if one returned. I used the Cityjet one a few times when it ran.

[philbky]

Aer Ryan, when did you last travel from Beauvais to Paris??

Air travel is about speed and functionality. Getting into Paris from the north is a pain and Beauvais is one of Ryanair's least functional in so far as it may not be the furthest point of landing from the supposed destination city but it is one of the longest journey times.

In the days of Skyways Coach Air services from Kent airports customers bought a London to Paris ticket knowing that the trip did what it said on the tin - coach, short flight, coach all included - and many wanted to avoid the sea crossing.

Ryanair advertise a flight from Shannon to Paris. Using Beauvais means the coach journey to/from Paris is always longer than the flight and the bus ticket isn't included.

The journey on the M7 from the Limerick area to Dublin is always going to be quicker than from Beauvais to Paris and Orly to Les Invalides or any other central Paris destination offers various options not available from Beauvais.

Travel choices may include loyalty to a local airport but that will be well down the list compared to overall journey time, cost and choice of service

[AerRyan]

I didnt think it was worth an extra 1hr 30mins in the car to Dub just to avoid a bad airport, but who am I to say it.

[EI-BUD]

Air travel is about speed and functionality. Getting into Paris from the north is a pain and Beauvais is one of Ryanair's least functional in so far as it may not be the furthest point of landing from the supposed destination city but it is one of the longest journey times.

philbky,

Have to agree. If you have a cancelled flight ex BVA as happened before on a flight to Shannon, you will quickly find there are no hotels around it and the trip back into Paris is not short. I don't appreciate the distance between BVA and Paris on a coach, for that reason, I see Dublin as a much better option for a passenger who would ordinarily use Shannon. Cork of course has CDG, that could be convenient for some depending on their location.

Perhaps like in the 90's there could be a 1/2 times weekly flight reinstated to CDG or even Orly. Would Transavia consider that, maybe.

[AerRyan]

Its an awful pity cityjet never even tried to keep the CDG service going at reduced frequencies.

[bannercounty]

The EMB was the perfect aircraft for the twice daily. Used to take it myself most weeks and seldom ever had more than 2-3 seats vacant. When Cityjet had their Avro back free to takeover the loads went belly up. 47 people on the EMB is a bit different on an Avro. Must say that during the summer term when the Avro did operate the load factor and yield was very high. Naturally with EI back in the frame for the Autumn the forward bookings were poor. I'd have preferred the CDG routing than the LHR one and hence won't fly with the greenies after what they did. Prefer the trustworthy FR or commute to DUB & take *A or FB company.

[Copenhagen]

What killed WX to Paris was

1: the return of Aer Lingus on SNN LHR
2: Ryanair going twice daily to BVA from SNN that same winter.

The idea that nobody knows about FR from SNN to BVA is untrue. They are operating this for years. Ryanair act the bully when they want to.

[gavinhicks]

The poor BVA loads show how much ryanair shot themselves in the foot when they axed the route in 2011. The route was a massive sucess until it was removed however given the recent activity with stobart air leaving shannon the airport will have to try and retain the paris route as it probably wont be filled by another airline

[AerRyan]

Exciting news from Turkish Airlines. The scheduled twice weekly A330 freighter service serving Istanbul-Shannon-Chicago may soon be picking up freight for Ireland and, should demand arise, there are plans to fly a wide bodied craft for both freight and passengers giving Shannon a year round Chicago link as well as direct flights to Istanbul. Turkish Airlines now fly to 219 international and 43 domestic destinations and recently inaugurated a double daily service to Dublin.



That's taken the Travelextra.info website. A year round route to Istanbul and Chicago would be amazing for the airport.

[vkid]

"1: the return of Aer Lingus on SNN LHR
2: Ryanair going twice daily to BVA from SNN that same winter"

3. Price. Fares were not cheap, by any measure

[gavinhicks]

FR have some of the winter schedule up from shannon 4 routes are currently not bookable:Paris BVA, kaunas, Fuerteventura and Manchester. Tenerife is bookable on saturdays and the remaining schedule is the same LGW 6 week, STN 14 week, KRK WMI SXF WRO 2 week and ACE 1 weekly

[AerRyan]

Fuertevantura is gone. Tenerife will take its place.

BVA is also loaded, but not bookable. It will be 2xPW

[aer lingus]

Don't forget you can do Cork-CDG, Cork is only and 1hour 20mins.

[EI320]

3. Price. Fares were not cheap, by any measure

That's not entirely true. When the route was upgauged to an RJ-85 the fares reduced significantly - yet the aircraft still couldn't be filled.

I remember flying the route for about EUR 150 return.

The return of SNN-LHR was the key contributor to its demise. When LHR returned the connectors reverted to their old travel patterns. There was/is insufficient O&D demand between SNN and Paris to support regular services.

[AerRyan]

For me, cork is just under 2 hours, with more expensive car parking and a terrible road. I'll stick with Shannon.

[vkid]

Cost was certainly a factor EI320, coming from someone who travelled via Paris regularly for work at the time.I used it several times. It was discounted as an option by the company due to cost. It was cheaper pay mileage for me to drive to Dublin and fly from there. I have a screenshot somewhere of the last fare quoted, and it was up around 600 bucks. I'll see if i can dig it out.