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And as Timmy Dooley the local TD implied today on RTE radio 1 the "private" airports in Kerry and Knock will be left to swivel on it and be put out of business to ensure the hybrid DAA monopoly continues to feed itself and ensure any potential competition is stifled by the might of the state
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And as Timmy Dooley the local TD implied today on RTE radio 1 the "private" airports in Kerry and Knock will be left to swivel on it and be put out of business to ensure the hybrid DAA monopoly continues to feed itself and ensure any potential competition is stifled by the might of the state
Its safe to say that SNN will not beat what NOC and KIR are offering but FR could get higher yield at SNN but will they pay more for it. Time will tell...Now that Aer Lingus are operating FAO it will damage passengers and yield at NOC and KIR next summer, will be intresting to see stats for all 4 airports including ORK.
What had KIR and NOC when SNN was doing well? Nothing worth talking about.
Of late its all the NOC supporters posting here and did anyone consider what might happen to SNN if NOC and KIR contuine to be successful. Botton line is to many airports on west cost with limited catchment area. Although I believe NOC has a place more than KIR.
Ryan I also agree that this move away from the DAA could bad long term.
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Jees, FR havent made ant announcement yet and already the rant from the usuall sources has started. They have even resigned to quoting Timmy Dooley when it suits them. Timmy is FF and is sending out a warning that this new SNN board may not work unless they have the backing of Aer Rianta International which was born in Shannon. He may be right in the long term but hes making sure he 'told us so', if hes wrong will ye be quoting him here?
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I have no idea how the capacity from Munster to Faro will be filled next year. In terms of scheduled flights alone, Cork has 9, Shannon has 3 and Kerry has 2.
Given Shannon's local catchment in Limerick, it's probably best placed to actually fill its flights, but in general, I can see no call for nearly 2,500 scheduled seats a week from the South-West to Faro.
Given Shannon's local catchment in Limerick, it's probably best placed to actually fill its flights, but in general, I can see no call for nearly 2,500 scheduled seats a week from the South-West to Faro.
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Transport Minister commented on this yesterday saying Aer Riantas viability was at stake if it lost the DAA backing...
Irish Times
The DAA’s overseas duty-free arm, Aer Rianta International, which made €35 million profits last year, will remain with the authority, the Minister said.
He pointed out that the duty-free company’s plans mean it would have to spend €60 million in the next couple of years.
“It can only do that, it can only do its business when it has the big balance sheet of the DAA to borrow against,” he said.
Shannon Airport will have its debt to the DAA written off.
Mr Varadkar pointed that if the airport authority was also to lose Aer Rianta International then that could threaten its viability.
He pointed out that the duty-free company’s plans mean it would have to spend €60 million in the next couple of years.
“It can only do that, it can only do its business when it has the big balance sheet of the DAA to borrow against,” he said.
Shannon Airport will have its debt to the DAA written off.
Mr Varadkar pointed that if the airport authority was also to lose Aer Rianta International then that could threaten its viability.
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SNN staffing v aircraft/passenger movements
Just a thought on this
Yesterday 4 EI 4 EIR 2 FR 1 UA and 2 BA lcy-nyc flts
today
4 EI 4 EIR 3 FR 1 UA and 2 BA lcy0nyc flts
very low activity during the winter , I just wonder how this commercial activity can sustain the current headcount in the airport employed by SNN airport itself, got to be very difficult to sustain jobs .....
Yesterday 4 EI 4 EIR 2 FR 1 UA and 2 BA lcy-nyc flts
today
4 EI 4 EIR 3 FR 1 UA and 2 BA lcy0nyc flts
very low activity during the winter , I just wonder how this commercial activity can sustain the current headcount in the airport employed by SNN airport itself, got to be very difficult to sustain jobs .....
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The staffing level is The Elephant in the Room that nobody wants to talk about. Shannon had staff manning the Car Park Exits almost 30 years after Dublin and Cork had phased them out and replaced them with an automatic system. Just one example of needless expenditure.
The ratio of staff to passengers at Shannon has always been far higher than at Cork even though they are both State airports. If they could get their cost base right they might do far better in terms of traffic growth!
The ratio of staff to passengers at Shannon has always been far higher than at Cork even though they are both State airports. If they could get their cost base right they might do far better in terms of traffic growth!
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As there is sweet nothing to comment upon in the Cork thread I think I will just pop up here to say hello! I am sure the Aer Lingus snn Faro route will do very well next summer. I would say that the way things are going EI will have better yield out of it than the Cork Faro service presuming that FR will be doing the flight as well next summer.
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They had six aircraft based towards the end. Basing 10 aircraft now.....how would they be filled when having six before could not? Knowing the ruthless streak maybe the base in Dublin would be severly downsized and Shannon becomes Dublin West 
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FR Based aircraft
Maybe he has run out of space in PIK for the winter park-up , after all 80 planes laid up need a lot of space and I can think of one dead quiet large airport in western europe with loads space.....probably at a knock ..sorry not NOC, probably at a knock down fee.......
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If FR do re-engage seriously at Shannon, first port of call with be Faro at a frequency and price lower then Aer Lingus, who will then retreat, and Aer Lingus Regional Routes to Manchester, Birmingham and Edinburgh. Liverpool will probably be added just to ensure maximum pressure exerted to Aer Lingus Regional's Manchester market.
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I'm sure if it does happen FR will have a knock down fees deal, indeed probably try and smash EIR out either directly or via EMA,LPL,PIK and yes I agree EI-BUD they will try to push EI off FAO. What FR will then discover is, yet again, that there just isn't year round market for 189 seat aircraft being filled and the only way to do so will be by deep discounting. There will be an initial boom in pax followed by a big invented row over fees or management and like a bang they will be out, leaving SNN desolate again. It would be so much better to leave EIR to steadily grow and be able to sustainably run year round services in a/c that are sized right for the catchment area. I think if it was the DUB or possibly the ORK market then EIR might stand firm, I'm not sure they would at SNN.
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If Ryanair go back into Shannon they will push EI and EIR off all routes except Heathrow where they have no connectivity , it's clear this would be their only strategy to reach the mil pax they talk about and then Shannon's new management can look forward to ;
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Government appointed task force concludes that Shannon has the potential to become a major passenger and cargo transit hub. I wonder what they're basing that finding on.
Hubs only develop when there is a large choice of destinations available from an airport at a regular frequency throughout the day.Even Dublin isn't really a hub although it's far busier than Shannon.
Hubs only develop when there is a large choice of destinations available from an airport at a regular frequency throughout the day.Even Dublin isn't really a hub although it's far busier than Shannon.
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Other than Dubai, which has been built on the back of major oil money, I struggle to think of a decent passenger hub that doesn't have at least 5 million people living within 100km.
You need local demand to build the route network.
Freight could be a different matter as a direct routing isn't so important.
You need local demand to build the route network.
Freight could be a different matter as a direct routing isn't so important.