New routes for Bristols new extension
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If anyone from BIA Engineering is reading this, please come and fix the BLOODY heating/air-con system in the offices in the old terminal, its really takeing the p**s now, ours have been in check for over a month now, and i shouldn't have to be sat here at 0330 with a fleece and gor-tex jacket on and a electric heater shoved up my arse in the middle of May!!!
By the way, everyone looking forward to the CO launch Fri, I hear Ladbrokes in Weston have 10-1 on a tech stop in 1st week, but if you try Bet 321.com you can get 13-1!!! only jokeing, now wait for the peeps over the bridge to pipe up!
By the way, everyone looking forward to the CO launch Fri, I hear Ladbrokes in Weston have 10-1 on a tech stop in 1st week, but if you try Bet 321.com you can get 13-1!!! only jokeing, now wait for the peeps over the bridge to pipe up!
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WATABENCH - try re putting the fault through the Control Centre and ask for a ref number.
MV - East of the Fire Section, Sounds like the staff car park to me!!!
Their is loads of room along the taxi way with space to build stands on (might knock my ball back into play if I miss hit my tee on the forth up at Tall Pines!!!) How about building an adjustable airbridge Western end of the terminal drop off the Passengers then go and Park up on stand whatever past the mail Apron over night, when the build the sands of course!!!
What is the Differences between the 737 -200 and 737 -700?
http://checkin.bia.com/departments/E...tandlayout.pdf
Try following this link for the Western Apron Plans.
MV - East of the Fire Section, Sounds like the staff car park to me!!!
Their is loads of room along the taxi way with space to build stands on (might knock my ball back into play if I miss hit my tee on the forth up at Tall Pines!!!) How about building an adjustable airbridge Western end of the terminal drop off the Passengers then go and Park up on stand whatever past the mail Apron over night, when the build the sands of course!!!
What is the Differences between the 737 -200 and 737 -700?
http://checkin.bia.com/departments/E...tandlayout.pdf
Try following this link for the Western Apron Plans.
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Thanks for info and clarification re stand 7. I hope I didn't sound as if I was doubting redfield because he obviously knows what he is talking about in this area. I presume redfield is a he. If not, many apologies.
terrier,
There was an item on BBC Points West local television news this evening re the CO service by the local BBC trade and industry reporter.
He came up with a minimum annual figure of 75,000 passengers needed to make the service pay. Doesn't the proportion of business/firsts seats sold make a difference though, as WATABENCH alluded to earlier?
75,000 annual pax would give a monthly average of 6250, or just over 100 pax per flight. The other CO UK regional flights to EWR seem to average much higher loads than this.
Re the new stands mooted in the BIA Statement, you might have to get a bike because that's what it says.
Thanks for info and clarification re stand 7. I hope I didn't sound as if I was doubting redfield because he obviously knows what he is talking about in this area. I presume redfield is a he. If not, many apologies.
terrier,
There was an item on BBC Points West local television news this evening re the CO service by the local BBC trade and industry reporter.
He came up with a minimum annual figure of 75,000 passengers needed to make the service pay. Doesn't the proportion of business/firsts seats sold make a difference though, as WATABENCH alluded to earlier?
75,000 annual pax would give a monthly average of 6250, or just over 100 pax per flight. The other CO UK regional flights to EWR seem to average much higher loads than this.
Re the new stands mooted in the BIA Statement, you might have to get a bike because that's what it says.
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When the route was announced, if I am right in saying, it was stated that the route would bring a figure of about 75000 pax to Brs in its first year. Have they got their numbers mixed up? even if the 16 First seats were the only ones sold it would be running at profit.
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Yes I think you may find that seats in Business first are the key to profit on the route. VS are the same reference this and if upper class is sold I think its over 40 or something out of 45 then it does not matter what the rest of the load is like. So this may well be the key to success out of BRS. Our loads on routes to the US in Upper have generally been very healthy or have been for the last 3 months on the US routes. So im sure that this service can be a great success.
Does it start tomorrow? Good luck with it folks cant believe that this is finally going to happen especially after working in the old terminal and the new one for a while then seeing it grow to this extent. All the best.
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Does it start tomorrow? Good luck with it folks cant believe that this is finally going to happen especially after working in the old terminal and the new one for a while then seeing it grow to this extent. All the best.
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What time is the CO 757 due in CWL for it's tech stop enroute to EWR?
Seriously though, congrats to BRS getting a NYC flight. Im sure it will be a big success
Lets hope NCL gets a NYC service before long, be it CO to EWR or AA to JFK
Seriously though, congrats to BRS getting a NYC flight. Im sure it will be a big success
Lets hope NCL gets a NYC service before long, be it CO to EWR or AA to JFK
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The first day seemed to go off well. Lot's of local media coverage and gaggles of locals out around the lanes at Lulsgate watching the event - well it makes a change from worrying about how the cider apple crop will go later in the year.
The 757 landed ten minutes early and pushed back on time for the return. The airport fire brigade gave the a/c a traditional welcome.
The first thing of note was that the 757 did not have winglets, the gadgets we have been told that will make the BRS runway usable under all conditions. 27 was used today and with a full load there seemed to be plenty of asphalt to spare. I say 'seem' because I am not a pilot and can only describe from a layman's perspective.
The reports from the local television stations kept harping on about the 'gamble' that CO and the airport have taken and both channels mentioned 75,000 annual pax as the figure currently projected.
The ITV report was rather confusing. Their reporter said that the service will not go daily in the winter, then in the next breath he said that CO are bullish about the route and cautiously talking about expanding services from BRS. I thought the intention was to fly daily all year round.
Ticket sales thus far are officially described as 'very good' according to the local telly reporters, with more people so far booked on the westbound legs than the eastbound. The CO web seat selector would appear to bear this out.
The local television reporters took full opportunity of their freebie trip to the USA and asked some Americans in the streets of New York what they thought of Bristol. Only two people had heard of the place and one complained that when he visited in 1970 he couldn't find any decent food. It looks as though there is a lot of work still to be done to capture hearts and minds there and thus boost the USA to Southwest England tourist trade.
The 757 landed ten minutes early and pushed back on time for the return. The airport fire brigade gave the a/c a traditional welcome.
The first thing of note was that the 757 did not have winglets, the gadgets we have been told that will make the BRS runway usable under all conditions. 27 was used today and with a full load there seemed to be plenty of asphalt to spare. I say 'seem' because I am not a pilot and can only describe from a layman's perspective.
The reports from the local television stations kept harping on about the 'gamble' that CO and the airport have taken and both channels mentioned 75,000 annual pax as the figure currently projected.
The ITV report was rather confusing. Their reporter said that the service will not go daily in the winter, then in the next breath he said that CO are bullish about the route and cautiously talking about expanding services from BRS. I thought the intention was to fly daily all year round.
Ticket sales thus far are officially described as 'very good' according to the local telly reporters, with more people so far booked on the westbound legs than the eastbound. The CO web seat selector would appear to bear this out.
The local television reporters took full opportunity of their freebie trip to the USA and asked some Americans in the streets of New York what they thought of Bristol. Only two people had heard of the place and one complained that when he visited in 1970 he couldn't find any decent food. It looks as though there is a lot of work still to be done to capture hearts and minds there and thus boost the USA to Southwest England tourist trade.
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Great to see everything went ok on the first day, I also noticed the lack of winglets on the aircraft, significant!!! Also the extra avialable Tarmac!!!
Another thing that MV pointed out was HTV saying that it was reduced in the Winter. Anyone know what this is all about?
The way I see it is CO are not interested in how much money the South west region is set to make, they are a buisness so the is understandable. All they are interested in is selling seats on the service. Surely selling the seats to pax flying westbound would be easily enough to keep them happy after all what goes up must come down or should I say what goes west must come east!!!
Another thing that MV pointed out was HTV saying that it was reduced in the Winter. Anyone know what this is all about?
The way I see it is CO are not interested in how much money the South west region is set to make, they are a buisness so the is understandable. All they are interested in is selling seats on the service. Surely selling the seats to pax flying westbound would be easily enough to keep them happy after all what goes up must come down or should I say what goes west must come east!!!
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Interesting comments regarding the lack of knowledge about the SW area. Funny enough tonight while sat on check in a passenger asked about whether vs had a codeshare agreement with CO in that route like we have on the vs 1 and 17 to EWR. The gentlemen seemed really interested in using this new service. Also I have heard many american tourists talk about Bath a lot while on check in. Many go there and im sure just a case of selling this and places like stonehenge as being nearby and im sure it will add more leisure pax to the route. Anyway glad it went well for you guys today.
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Graham,
I hadn't realised that EDI was down to five in winter. 75,000 annual pax would be more understandable in the context of a reduced winter service from BRS.
SJD and terrier,
I remember on one of my US trips my wife and I arrived at a motel one evening. We began talking to some Americans staying there who said, "You must meet (forget her name). She comes from England originally, from somewhere near Bath."
Their friend duly appeared and whilst we were wondering if her original home was Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge or Midsomer Norton she introduced herself. She said, "I come from Bristol but no-one here as heard of it so I say it's near Bath."
Bristol reckons it is the seventh most popular UK destination for overseas visitors, so perhaps some Americans have found their way to the home city of Archibald Alexander Leach after all.
Americans do seem to have a blind spot though where anything outside their country is concerned. On another occasion we were in the USA at the time of the huge Manchester bomb. The national US tv news network we tuned into began the story with a caption headed ‘London Bombing’. The reporter then told viewers that, “In the north west English city of Manchester, two hundred miles from London ……..”
About fifteen years ago there was a suggestion (I think by the then Bath City Council) to re-name the airport Bristol and Bath Airport to attract the American market. The then owners, Bristol City Council, were not especially pleased at the idea, to put it mildly.
nclairportfan,
Air Southwest are advertising the BRS-EWR service on their website, pointing out the convenient flight times of their services from PLH and NQY to connect at BRS. Not sure how CO would view a codeshare though.
I hadn't realised that EDI was down to five in winter. 75,000 annual pax would be more understandable in the context of a reduced winter service from BRS.
SJD and terrier,
I remember on one of my US trips my wife and I arrived at a motel one evening. We began talking to some Americans staying there who said, "You must meet (forget her name). She comes from England originally, from somewhere near Bath."
Their friend duly appeared and whilst we were wondering if her original home was Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge or Midsomer Norton she introduced herself. She said, "I come from Bristol but no-one here as heard of it so I say it's near Bath."
Bristol reckons it is the seventh most popular UK destination for overseas visitors, so perhaps some Americans have found their way to the home city of Archibald Alexander Leach after all.
Americans do seem to have a blind spot though where anything outside their country is concerned. On another occasion we were in the USA at the time of the huge Manchester bomb. The national US tv news network we tuned into began the story with a caption headed ‘London Bombing’. The reporter then told viewers that, “In the north west English city of Manchester, two hundred miles from London ……..”
About fifteen years ago there was a suggestion (I think by the then Bath City Council) to re-name the airport Bristol and Bath Airport to attract the American market. The then owners, Bristol City Council, were not especially pleased at the idea, to put it mildly.
nclairportfan,
Air Southwest are advertising the BRS-EWR service on their website, pointing out the convenient flight times of their services from PLH and NQY to connect at BRS. Not sure how CO would view a codeshare though.
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Apparently S-Air dispatch aren't too pleased with CO, I was told by one of them that 3 dispatchers had to deal with flight as CO in Houston were demanding everything including runway conditions even though the flight was still in the middle of the Atlantic, and S-Air ops refused to do it as they were quite rightly very busy, but dispatch are also busy bunnys, I would of thought that their 'Consierge/reps' would of done a lot of this, similar to FCA's G.O.C's, I believe the dispatcher who actually saw it off ended up with 5 hrs worth of paperwork - Yuck! oh well i'm sure it'll sort itself out.
Anybody any idea how many pax were on 1st and 2nd flights yet?
Also what happened to the infamous winglets that without them the 757 wouldn't make NYC, well according to our friends over the bridge!
Anybody any idea how many pax were on 1st and 2nd flights yet?
Also what happened to the infamous winglets that without them the 757 wouldn't make NYC, well according to our friends over the bridge!
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Watabench: Stop exaggerating. Servisair Ops did not "refuse to do it" as you said and if you've been told this by someone from Servisair they want to get their facts straight! From what I've heard the Ops bunnies are just about at the limit of the workload they can take at the minute without having CO's requirements on top. Also, Houston weren't / don't demanding / demand runway conditions "while the flight is in the middle of the Atlantic." The fact of the matter is that CO didn't start training the S'Air staff on their operations and flight planning system until about four days before the first flight! It seems they've done b***** well considering.
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Redfield - I think you've miss understood what I was saying, maybe I didn't word it correctly, You've basically said what I was trying to get at anyway, infact i'm pretty sure you just said exactly what i did but in a different way, the fact is S-air ops are swamped, like I said and you said, and CO 'SEEM' to be demanding a lot from them if they only started training them 4 days before the 1st flight, surely they should of been sent away like the check-in agents were that would only be fair, and yes they've done blooming well considering, I apologise if it sounded like I was haveing a pop at S-Air, I wasn't, I feel sorry for them, you speak to any of the dispatchers or guys in Ops and they are pulling their hair out, I've got the up most respect for all of them, and they've all done a sterling effort so far