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There are certainly a lot of potential night stoppers at BRS.
However, there is a current thread on this MB concerning the BRS western apron and it has been stated in that thread that there are now 27 stands on the combined eastern and western aprons.
Whilst understanding that not every stand can take every type of aircraft that uses BRS, it does seem, to this interested outsider at any rate, that there is a bit of room still to be had for more aircraft that might want to rest their weary frames in the hours of darkness on the broad acres above Lulsgate Bottom. Or am I getting hopelessly confused?
Just got back after a few days in Guernsey and I have to say that the combination of BRS, GCI and Aurigny made an eminently civilised way to travel from the west country to the Channel Islands and back. I hope the day never arrives when a lovely little airline like Aurigny finds itself shunted out of BRS because of parking problems (and I realise they don’t night stop). Also good to see the ATR 72 was comfortably filled: 50 on the outbound and 51 on the return in mid week (I was near the back on both legs and overheard the cabin crew).
There are certainly a lot of potential night stoppers at BRS.
However, there is a current thread on this MB concerning the BRS western apron and it has been stated in that thread that there are now 27 stands on the combined eastern and western aprons.
Whilst understanding that not every stand can take every type of aircraft that uses BRS, it does seem, to this interested outsider at any rate, that there is a bit of room still to be had for more aircraft that might want to rest their weary frames in the hours of darkness on the broad acres above Lulsgate Bottom. Or am I getting hopelessly confused?
Just got back after a few days in Guernsey and I have to say that the combination of BRS, GCI and Aurigny made an eminently civilised way to travel from the west country to the Channel Islands and back. I hope the day never arrives when a lovely little airline like Aurigny finds itself shunted out of BRS because of parking problems (and I realise they don’t night stop). Also good to see the ATR 72 was comfortably filled: 50 on the outbound and 51 on the return in mid week (I was near the back on both legs and overheard the cabin crew).
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The Air Southwest passenger exchange is a bit mindless I think......
Flew out to LBA on Monday, 43 passengers onboard and flew back tonight 48 passengers........very good for a new route.
But, if you're a through passenger from LBA-PLH, you get off the plane, get on a bus, and are taken to the stand NEXT to you, by bus, and are then offloaded onto the Manchester - Plymouth plane, similar seemed to apply to PLH/NQY passengers from Bristol, bussed out to the aircraft for a short 1 stand hop by bus.
It was all dealt with very well by the ground crew on hand.
The two Dash 8's were next to each other on stands 10/11 at the time.
Is it that difficult to allow passengers to transfer by foot?
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Flew out to LBA on Monday, 43 passengers onboard and flew back tonight 48 passengers........very good for a new route.
But, if you're a through passenger from LBA-PLH, you get off the plane, get on a bus, and are taken to the stand NEXT to you, by bus, and are then offloaded onto the Manchester - Plymouth plane, similar seemed to apply to PLH/NQY passengers from Bristol, bussed out to the aircraft for a short 1 stand hop by bus.
It was all dealt with very well by the ground crew on hand.
The two Dash 8's were next to each other on stands 10/11 at the time.
Is it that difficult to allow passengers to transfer by foot?
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I don't think it is necessarily that hard to transfer passengers by foot but it would require many more staff, as you only have one door on the Dash 8 pax would have to walk around the aircraft to get to the other. Both seem to be doing very well maybe they will have something new in the pipeline.
New Arrivals extension looks really good any views from the 'public eye'?
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New Arrivals extension looks really good any views from the 'public eye'?
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I have arrived at BRS twice in the past couple of weeks or so, both on domestic flights.
The first was from NCL and we walked from the a/c parked on stand 1, 2 or 3 (forget which) into the terminal via one of the domestic entrances, and down the stairs. We had no hold baggage to collect so walked straight through to landside.
However, there was still a bit of work going on then in connection with the extended carousel area and it was a bit like a building site. No worries because work has to proceed and the airport must 'go on' around it, and there were notices of apology posted.
Last Wednesday we came in from GCI. Our Aurigny ATR 72 was parked on a remote stand so we were bussed to outside the terminal. We were met outside the furthermost domestic entrance door (the one nearest the western end of the building next to the Channel Islands entrance door, although we did not use this despite coming from Guernsey) and conducted through the domestic door via other normally locked doors and passageways around nearly four sides of a square or rectangle inside the terminal. We eventually arrived at a point inside the door next to the one through which we had originally entered.
We were all perplexed as to why we had been taken on a route march led by, I have to say, a schoolmarmish Servissair representative.
We then went down the stairs to the carousel area and although the work had clearly gone on apace since the NCL arrival of two weeks ago there were still some loose ends to tie up.
When going out from BRS to GCI I had meant to have a look at the check-in extension but did not get round to it (too busy making sure I got full value from my Navigator points in the business lounge
).
The CO flights to EWR seem to be filling up quite well on a lot of the dates if the CO website seat selector is any guide, although there are some flights in the first couple of weeks that still appear to have a lot of available seats. Interestingly, BFS seems to be in a broadly similar situation as regards available seats, again looking at the seat selector. However, I don't know how accurate a measure of seats sold this gadget really is.
I have arrived at BRS twice in the past couple of weeks or so, both on domestic flights.
The first was from NCL and we walked from the a/c parked on stand 1, 2 or 3 (forget which) into the terminal via one of the domestic entrances, and down the stairs. We had no hold baggage to collect so walked straight through to landside.
However, there was still a bit of work going on then in connection with the extended carousel area and it was a bit like a building site. No worries because work has to proceed and the airport must 'go on' around it, and there were notices of apology posted.
Last Wednesday we came in from GCI. Our Aurigny ATR 72 was parked on a remote stand so we were bussed to outside the terminal. We were met outside the furthermost domestic entrance door (the one nearest the western end of the building next to the Channel Islands entrance door, although we did not use this despite coming from Guernsey) and conducted through the domestic door via other normally locked doors and passageways around nearly four sides of a square or rectangle inside the terminal. We eventually arrived at a point inside the door next to the one through which we had originally entered.
We were all perplexed as to why we had been taken on a route march led by, I have to say, a schoolmarmish Servissair representative.
We then went down the stairs to the carousel area and although the work had clearly gone on apace since the NCL arrival of two weeks ago there were still some loose ends to tie up.
When going out from BRS to GCI I had meant to have a look at the check-in extension but did not get round to it (too busy making sure I got full value from my Navigator points in the business lounge
). The CO flights to EWR seem to be filling up quite well on a lot of the dates if the CO website seat selector is any guide, although there are some flights in the first couple of weeks that still appear to have a lot of available seats. Interestingly, BFS seems to be in a broadly similar situation as regards available seats, again looking at the seat selector. However, I don't know how accurate a measure of seats sold this gadget really is.
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Merchant Venturer: 27 stands? Where did that come from? Where are stand 17, 18 19 and 20 then? They don't exist! It might seem that way, but in fact there's not all that much room left at BRS for night-stopping a/c on certain nights if you look at it. Just because there's a stand which appears vacant doesn't mean that it's available willy-nilly! Take Friday pm as of July for instance: 8 Easyjets will park on stands 8,9,10,11,23,24,25, and 26. The six based charter flights will use the larger stands 1,2,3,4,5, and 27. (That's BY, DP, DP, HH, KM and VZ). There's also the SN Brussels usually on stand 6, KLM on 16, the (at least) 3 BA's on 13, 14 and 21, 2 Euromanx 146's on 12 and 15, and a European 737 on 22. Now by my reckoning or unless I can't count, the airport's full. Where can any other "tired airframes who want to rest their weary frames at Lulsgate Bottom" possibly park? 26N can't be used if the other stands are used because there isn't enough room. Other things to consider: what if something goes tech overnight? Bit of a problem I think. Also, if outbound charters have slots or other delays in the am, I'm wondering where the CO will park, especially if it's early? And the two early WOW arrivals? Admittedly some of the charters are gone overnight BUT people tend to forget that they come back, sometimes early, and therefore stands have to kept vacant to accomodate them as they might well arrive back before morning departures (and therefore, I assume, would probably to be considered as night-stoppers for parking purposes?). There isn't any room left! Oh gawd my typing finger is so tired!!
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redfield,
Many thanks for the detailed explanation. I did ask if I had become 'hopelessly confused'. Clearly I had because I hadn't reckoned on the idea of numbering stands from 1 to 27 but missing out numbers 17,18, 19 and 20. Is this a regular airport trait?
I suppose there are also the mail 'planes which seem to park up in the day at the western end of the western apron, or is where they live strictly not part of that apron?
Your rundown makes one wonder how the airport can expand at all next year unless it relies on aircraft from other bases flying in and out, in the way the easyJet 319 from Berlin does.
Graham,
Went up on a Wednesday two or three weeks ago on the morning BRS-NCL. There were only a few empty seats (about 8-10, certainly no more).
The return on the same day was a different matter. We travelled back on the last NCL-BRS flight of the day and the aircraft was no more than half full.
This surprised me very much for two reasons.
The monthly CAA stats usually show average loads above 120, even in the winter, and we travelled in the spring.
My son regularly flies this route on business and confirms the aircraft are usually well filled. He is not interested in aviation although the last time he came back from NCL on the evening flight he said he was not aware of any unoccupied seats at all.
Perhaps our flight back was an exception because I saw the teatime BRS-NCL arrive whilst waiting for our aircraft back to BRS and the northbound seemed to disgorge a lot of pax (well over a hundred I would say).
Many thanks for the detailed explanation. I did ask if I had become 'hopelessly confused'. Clearly I had because I hadn't reckoned on the idea of numbering stands from 1 to 27 but missing out numbers 17,18, 19 and 20. Is this a regular airport trait?
I suppose there are also the mail 'planes which seem to park up in the day at the western end of the western apron, or is where they live strictly not part of that apron?
Your rundown makes one wonder how the airport can expand at all next year unless it relies on aircraft from other bases flying in and out, in the way the easyJet 319 from Berlin does.
Graham,
Went up on a Wednesday two or three weeks ago on the morning BRS-NCL. There were only a few empty seats (about 8-10, certainly no more).
The return on the same day was a different matter. We travelled back on the last NCL-BRS flight of the day and the aircraft was no more than half full.
This surprised me very much for two reasons.
The monthly CAA stats usually show average loads above 120, even in the winter, and we travelled in the spring.
My son regularly flies this route on business and confirms the aircraft are usually well filled. He is not interested in aviation although the last time he came back from NCL on the evening flight he said he was not aware of any unoccupied seats at all.
Perhaps our flight back was an exception because I saw the teatime BRS-NCL arrive whilst waiting for our aircraft back to BRS and the northbound seemed to disgorge a lot of pax (well over a hundred I would say).
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Im sure you are aware that The based MYT and one of the based FCA's actually leave BRS at 2125 and 2230 respectivley on Friday night and don't returen untill 0730 Saturday morning after 13 of the nights based aircraft have already left. Ok they could and do often arrive in slightly early but as they are DLM/HER they can only make up such much time, 45 mins max meaning 6 based A/C would have already left. You will probably only ever find a max of 17 aircraft here at one time so there is plenty of room to expand.
MV sorry to hear you were taken on a bit of a walkabout. I think the Servisair agent may have been a bit confused you should have come in the right hand entrance walked passed Special Branch and turned immediatly right through a door taking you back on your self and into the old Domestic departures lobby and down into the extended International arrivals.
5 days to go.
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Im sure you are aware that The based MYT and one of the based FCA's actually leave BRS at 2125 and 2230 respectivley on Friday night and don't returen untill 0730 Saturday morning after 13 of the nights based aircraft have already left. Ok they could and do often arrive in slightly early but as they are DLM/HER they can only make up such much time, 45 mins max meaning 6 based A/C would have already left. You will probably only ever find a max of 17 aircraft here at one time so there is plenty of room to expand.
MV sorry to hear you were taken on a bit of a walkabout. I think the Servisair agent may have been a bit confused you should have come in the right hand entrance walked passed Special Branch and turned immediatly right through a door taking you back on your self and into the old Domestic departures lobby and down into the extended International arrivals.
5 days to go.
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Terrier:....You highlight my point precisely: After 6 of the based aircraft are SCHEDULED to have left I think you mean. There have been comments on these forums concerning the allocation of stand function at various airports which leads me to believe that people don't really appreciate all of the other operating restrictions which might apply. "Oh well stand 3 will be free between 2230 and 0730 so we can use that for an extra aircraft." Not the case. If only every flight operated exactly to it's schedule!
MV: Numerous airports have stand numbers missing. I think it's easier to issue a NOTAM stating that eg. "stand 7 his closed" than it is to change every other stand number in the process. If BRS had done this, 8 would be 7, 9 would be 8 blah blah and I'm lost already. Ideally BRS stands would be numbered 1 - 22, then 61 and 62 would be 23 and 24!!!
MV: Numerous airports have stand numbers missing. I think it's easier to issue a NOTAM stating that eg. "stand 7 his closed" than it is to change every other stand number in the process. If BRS had done this, 8 would be 7, 9 would be 8 blah blah and I'm lost already. Ideally BRS stands would be numbered 1 - 22, then 61 and 62 would be 23 and 24!!!
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If it got to the stage that those aircraft couldn't land because there were no free stands at BRS I would go home!!
Im sure it would be worked out that there was always at least two free stands available. The airport of course makes money from diverts etc so It wouldn't be clever buisness practice to fill up all of the stands. At the end of the day even if the aircraft aren't based here you can still have massive expansion MV mentioned EZY SXF but to a bigger extent look at Flybe.
Im sure it would be worked out that there was always at least two free stands available. The airport of course makes money from diverts etc so It wouldn't be clever buisness practice to fill up all of the stands. At the end of the day even if the aircraft aren't based here you can still have massive expansion MV mentioned EZY SXF but to a bigger extent look at Flybe.
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Been talking to a friend who has a lot to do with CO, apparently since the advertising has gone up everywhere booking loads are starting to look quite healthy, also i believe he said if all 16 business first seats are sold then the route has made its money and any economy seats are profit, so things sound like they're finally looking up for this route
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Still, hope they wont mind the tech stop 
Just kidding
MV, The NCL-BRS EZY flight has rather surprised me as before EZY came onto the route, BACX flew it 3 Daily using DHC-8-300s (equivalent to 1 Daily 73G) so for it to now be operating 3 daily 73Gs is amazing!
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MV, The NCL-BRS EZY flight has rather surprised me as before EZY came onto the route, BACX flew it 3 Daily using DHC-8-300s (equivalent to 1 Daily 73G) so for it to now be operating 3 daily 73Gs is amazing!
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The BACX services were often over booked to NCL and always had at least 45 sold seats. The seats were bought by MOD so they were paying £200 + / seat why BA didn't decide to pur an RJ100 or something of the like in a two class system Ill never no EDI and GLA have proved that it can work with upwards of 8 flights a day. BA could bring in a bigger aircraft offer the old NCL/ABZ and probably fill it up morning and night.
I wonder what is gonna happen in the long run regarding Scandinavian flights surely it can't be too long before some cash's in on these routes?!
I wonder what is gonna happen in the long run regarding Scandinavian flights surely it can't be too long before some cash's in on these routes?!
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I said I was confused over the stands situation at the airport. Having re-read the airport’s Statement of Intent re the Aviation White Paper I am even more confused.
The Statement is dated February this year and states, “It is estimated that up to 30 aircraft stands may be required to handle 9 mppa (the estimated annual pax numbers using the airport to be reached between 2015 and 2020). This requires an additional 12 stands compared with the current provision. These additional stands can be provided by expanding the airport apron to the west of the control tower and in the longer term to the east of the fire station.”
The airport seems to be saying it currently has only 18 stands whereas we have been told in this thread that there are stands numbering from 1 to 27 but not including 17, 18, 19 or 20. Even my dodgy maths makes this a total of 23.
Anyway, the airport seems confident that it can handle almost double the current number of pax with not that many more stands than at present, and without having to go outside the current airport boundary. It does accept that the current terminal building will have to be extended significantly though.
Graham,
CAA stats for 2004 show a shade under 242,000 scheduled pax used the NCL-BRS-NCL route last year, an average of over 20,000 every month. easyJet had the route to itself last year so they were all their customers. I believe this is the busiest route, in passenger number terms, between two English provincial cities. 143 charter pax also travelled between BRS and NCL in 2004. Don’t know what that was in connection with.
The Statement is dated February this year and states, “It is estimated that up to 30 aircraft stands may be required to handle 9 mppa (the estimated annual pax numbers using the airport to be reached between 2015 and 2020). This requires an additional 12 stands compared with the current provision. These additional stands can be provided by expanding the airport apron to the west of the control tower and in the longer term to the east of the fire station.”
The airport seems to be saying it currently has only 18 stands whereas we have been told in this thread that there are stands numbering from 1 to 27 but not including 17, 18, 19 or 20. Even my dodgy maths makes this a total of 23.
Anyway, the airport seems confident that it can handle almost double the current number of pax with not that many more stands than at present, and without having to go outside the current airport boundary. It does accept that the current terminal building will have to be extended significantly though.
Graham,
CAA stats for 2004 show a shade under 242,000 scheduled pax used the NCL-BRS-NCL route last year, an average of over 20,000 every month. easyJet had the route to itself last year so they were all their customers. I believe this is the busiest route, in passenger number terms, between two English provincial cities. 143 charter pax also travelled between BRS and NCL in 2004. Don’t know what that was in connection with.
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Hey redfield, I think I'm going from being confused to being totally baffled. The Eastern Apron web plan shows 16 stands, numbered 1-16, on that apron, including a stand 7.
The below link will take you there.
http://apron.bristolairport.com/
The below link will take you there.
http://apron.bristolairport.com/
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Stand 7 was removed when they increased the size of stands 8 and 9 to accommodate easyJet’s Boeing 737-700's, as they've a wider wingspan than the -300's. Not sure why it’s still on the apron plan, but you’ll notice its never used.