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Maybe it's the times of day that I am in and around the airport but certainly at this time of year most passengers seem to be Eastern European or European, as next to no one seems to speak English.
The days of 20% growth are set to drop dramatically soon as new routes that were introduced over the last 12 months are not being added to this year. I would expect that the next 12 months will see close to zero growth with the loss of the Ryanair 5th frame counteracting modest growth from Easyjet.
With the airport not much better at handling passengers this year than last year Luton is still an airport to avoid I am afraid to say but next year things should be much better
3 days less in February than January.
The days of 20% growth are set to drop dramatically soon as new routes that were introduced over the last 12 months are not being added to this year. I would expect that the next 12 months will see close to zero growth with the loss of the Ryanair 5th frame counteracting modest growth from Easyjet.
With the airport not much better at handling passengers this year than last year Luton is still an airport to avoid I am afraid to say but next year things should be much better
One million in February anybody!
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Do I understand correctly, Wizz to base an A321 at LTNstarting September?
WizzAir schedules A321 London Luton routes in 3Q17 :: Routesonline
WizzAir schedules A321 London Luton routes in 3Q17 :: Routesonline
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LTNman I would disagree. We are going to see lots of Wizz routes changing the plane from a 180 to 230 seater A321. Easyjet will have 2 more a320's. Thomas cook will have 3 flights a week. Quite a few more flights from Blue Air this year too. I would say about 5-8% increase this year on last years figure.
Also does anyone know when Luton shall get the 2 stands back from the construction lot. Also good to see the new stands are being made. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQC-9VBFoR9/
Also does anyone know when Luton shall get the 2 stands back from the construction lot. Also good to see the new stands are being made. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQC-9VBFoR9/
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February does see higher load factors on the whole, partially due to the half term as pointed out.
I agree LTN will see more modest growth this year though bear in mind that load factors seem increasingly on the up right across the UK so even a small reduction in movements could still easily allow increased passenger numbers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think movements are broadly similar if not slightly up on last summer, so should still be a modest but healthy increase in passenger numbers.
EasyJet and Wizz will predominantly drive the growth and will noticeably have a bigger share of the market bearing in mind no AtlasGlobal, Adria or La Compagnie this year plus the reductions from Ryanair.
I agree LTN will see more modest growth this year though bear in mind that load factors seem increasingly on the up right across the UK so even a small reduction in movements could still easily allow increased passenger numbers.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think movements are broadly similar if not slightly up on last summer, so should still be a modest but healthy increase in passenger numbers.
EasyJet and Wizz will predominantly drive the growth and will noticeably have a bigger share of the market bearing in mind no AtlasGlobal, Adria or La Compagnie this year plus the reductions from Ryanair.
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Don't forget Luton's largest route to Copenhagen will drop to next to nothing this year and as I have already stated one lost Ryanair aircraft.
The lost stand on the eastern apron will be lost until next year. Not sure about stand 9 but I think it will be also lost until next year.
Also does anyone know when Luton shall get the 2 stands back from the construction lot.
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Minimal growth this year is definitely a good thing for the passenger...
Flew to Copenhagen two weeks ago and took the 8.30am(ish) Ryanair flight on a Saturday morning, and while security was quick and efficient, the departure lounge was a thoroughly miserable experience!
There was zero seating available and there was all these island areas blocked off and all the catering section towards the rear of the departure lounge was closed, only leaving Frankie & Benny's and Pret A Manager as the only places to eat.
Passengers not eating at Pret were occupying the seats and tables in this area, leaving customers no where to go, and the number of passengers blocking the entrance to gates area waiting for their flight to show on the board is almost a fire hazard!
As I was there at the weekend, and after the morning rush when all the based aircraft will have left for the morning, only makes you wonder how much worse it is at around 5.30-6am-ish...
I have flights to Valencia and Katowice booked for February and March, and not looking forward to flying through LTN again for these experiences! Any other future trips I have to book this year will be from EMA or BHX and think it is best to give the airport a wide berth for 12 months.
On the positive, I arrived back at LTN on a Monday at around 5pm and was waiting for the AirParks bus within 15 mins of landing.
Is the current location of Security, the final location in the building where it will be located after the terminal expansion is finished? Only reason I ask is, its a little dull and grim in there.
Flew to Copenhagen two weeks ago and took the 8.30am(ish) Ryanair flight on a Saturday morning, and while security was quick and efficient, the departure lounge was a thoroughly miserable experience!
There was zero seating available and there was all these island areas blocked off and all the catering section towards the rear of the departure lounge was closed, only leaving Frankie & Benny's and Pret A Manager as the only places to eat.
Passengers not eating at Pret were occupying the seats and tables in this area, leaving customers no where to go, and the number of passengers blocking the entrance to gates area waiting for their flight to show on the board is almost a fire hazard!
As I was there at the weekend, and after the morning rush when all the based aircraft will have left for the morning, only makes you wonder how much worse it is at around 5.30-6am-ish...
I have flights to Valencia and Katowice booked for February and March, and not looking forward to flying through LTN again for these experiences! Any other future trips I have to book this year will be from EMA or BHX and think it is best to give the airport a wide berth for 12 months.
On the positive, I arrived back at LTN on a Monday at around 5pm and was waiting for the AirParks bus within 15 mins of landing.
Is the current location of Security, the final location in the building where it will be located after the terminal expansion is finished? Only reason I ask is, its a little dull and grim in there.
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One of the big issues for me is something that gilvesdavis has touched on. The builders are very good at closing an area and stripping it clean so making the space unusable months before it is touched again. The island areas were closed down months ago and just left boarded up. It seems that nothing has changed since my last flight around September when the whole of the back of departures including the islands were then boarded up.
The same is true landslide opposite the temporary entrance. The whole area was picked clean and boarded up forcing the easyJet customer help desk to move into a temporary location and two shops to shut down. Since being stripped down the large area has just been left so the question has to be asked why close an area months before it needs to be closed?
As for security the entrance will be moved and the whole area expanded when the existing retail outlets are moved into the new build so creating 18 security lanes but that won't happen until 2018.
One of the odd things about the security hall is the partial vaulted ceiling by the former entrance. It just looks so odd that the ceiling over the security lanes suddenly doubles in height. When finished the ceiling will drop down again when the lanes reach the former retail area just leaving a vaulted ceiling in the middle section.
The same is true landslide opposite the temporary entrance. The whole area was picked clean and boarded up forcing the easyJet customer help desk to move into a temporary location and two shops to shut down. Since being stripped down the large area has just been left so the question has to be asked why close an area months before it needs to be closed?
As for security the entrance will be moved and the whole area expanded when the existing retail outlets are moved into the new build so creating 18 security lanes but that won't happen until 2018.
One of the odd things about the security hall is the partial vaulted ceiling by the former entrance. It just looks so odd that the ceiling over the security lanes suddenly doubles in height. When finished the ceiling will drop down again when the lanes reach the former retail area just leaving a vaulted ceiling in the middle section.
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Don't forget Luton's largest route to Copenhagen will drop to next to nothing this year and as I have already stated one lost Ryanair aircraft.
The lost stand on the eastern apron will be lost until next year. Not sure about stand 9 but I think it will be also lost until next year.
The lost stand on the eastern apron will be lost until next year. Not sure about stand 9 but I think it will be also lost until next year.
Hopefully once works are complete and the airport can cope better, we'll see EZY restore CPH and growth of many more routes from other carriers too.
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CPH is still daily with Ryanair. Easyjet have replaced all of the Copenhagen flights with other flights plus more on top of that. I think that there will be more flights in place of the CPH flights.
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My hunch is that FR will be gone completely on CPH from LTN within a year.
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Construction update
As part of the phase 2 expansion of stands 16 to 19, part of the Holiday Inn car park fence has been moved by a metre with the railings replaced by wire meshing. I guess every little helps as the apron will not only be made slightly wider but also slightly deeper.
Work also started this week on adding 2 stands to the Southern Apron. Again this is part of phase 2 so the taxiway extension to 08 should be starting soon.
Pier B is taking shape.
The new horseshoe taxi rank is under construction with the two new bus bays being filled with concrete this week.
The exit route for the duel carriageway has been receiving its base this week inside the CTA. Outside the CTA nothing is happening.
The painted floor of the footbridges and lobby areas continues to wear down to bare concrete in places while other areas are bubbling and flaking again down to bare concrete. With the footbridge only being open for 2 months the paint is not fit for the traffic it is encountering. Also due to its colour it is impossible to keep clean when wet.
Work also started this week on adding 2 stands to the Southern Apron. Again this is part of phase 2 so the taxiway extension to 08 should be starting soon.
Pier B is taking shape.
The new horseshoe taxi rank is under construction with the two new bus bays being filled with concrete this week.
The exit route for the duel carriageway has been receiving its base this week inside the CTA. Outside the CTA nothing is happening.
The painted floor of the footbridges and lobby areas continues to wear down to bare concrete in places while other areas are bubbling and flaking again down to bare concrete. With the footbridge only being open for 2 months the paint is not fit for the traffic it is encountering. Also due to its colour it is impossible to keep clean when wet.
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Easyjet 2017
I though I would compare Easyjet schedule from last August to August 2017. Brackets being last years weekly amount of flights
Easyjet 2017
Aberdeen - 5 weekly (5)
Alicante - 14 weekly (14)
Amsterdam - 33 weekly (25)
Antalya - 2 weekly (2)
Barcelona - 21 weekly (14)
Basel - 7 weekly (7)
Belfast - 24 weekly (23)
Berlin - 11 weekly (13)
Bodrum - 2 weekly (2)
Bordeaux - 8 weekly (8)
Catania - 4 weekly (3)
Copenhagen - 0 weekly (19)
Corfu - 5 weekly (5)
Heraklion - 2 weekly (2)
Paphos - 5 weekly (4)
Dortmund - 5 weekly (6)
Dubrovnik 3 weekly (2)
Edinburgh - 22 weekly (21)
Essaouira - 2 weekly (2)
Faro - 17 weekly (16)
Geneva - 12 weekly (12)
Glasgow - 15 weekly (15)
Hamburg - 6 weekly (6)
Ibiza - 7 weekly (7)
Inverness - 11 weekly (11)
Jersey - 5 weekly (5)
Lisbon - 14 weekly (14)
Lyon - 6 weekly (5)
Madrid - 7 weekly (7)
Palma - 20 weekly (21)
Malaga - 19 weekly (17)
Mahon - 10 weekly (8)
Milan - 11 weekly (11)
Montpellier - 4 weekly (4)
Munich - 4 weekly (4)
Mykonos - 2 weekly (2)
Naples - 7 weekly (4)
Nice - 15 weekly (15)
Olbia - 3 weekly (2)
Paris - 16 weekly (16)
Pisa - 9 weekly (8)
Porto - 4 weekly (3)
Reykjavik - 6 weekly (4)
Rome - 5 weekly (5)
Split - 7 weekly (4)
Tel Aviv - 12 weekly (11)
Venice - 7 weekly (5)
Vienna - 4 weekly (4)
Zurich - 12 weekly (7)
New routes for August 2017 compared to 2016
Biarritz 2 weekly
Lanzarote 2 weekly
Marseille 4 weekly
Nantes 4 weekly
Rhodes 2 weekly
Stockholm 4 weekly
Tenerife 3 weekly
Toulouse 5 weekly
Valencia 3 weekly
Easyjet 2017
Aberdeen - 5 weekly (5)
Alicante - 14 weekly (14)
Amsterdam - 33 weekly (25)
Antalya - 2 weekly (2)
Barcelona - 21 weekly (14)
Basel - 7 weekly (7)
Belfast - 24 weekly (23)
Berlin - 11 weekly (13)
Bodrum - 2 weekly (2)
Bordeaux - 8 weekly (8)
Catania - 4 weekly (3)
Copenhagen - 0 weekly (19)
Corfu - 5 weekly (5)
Heraklion - 2 weekly (2)
Paphos - 5 weekly (4)
Dortmund - 5 weekly (6)
Dubrovnik 3 weekly (2)
Edinburgh - 22 weekly (21)
Essaouira - 2 weekly (2)
Faro - 17 weekly (16)
Geneva - 12 weekly (12)
Glasgow - 15 weekly (15)
Hamburg - 6 weekly (6)
Ibiza - 7 weekly (7)
Inverness - 11 weekly (11)
Jersey - 5 weekly (5)
Lisbon - 14 weekly (14)
Lyon - 6 weekly (5)
Madrid - 7 weekly (7)
Palma - 20 weekly (21)
Malaga - 19 weekly (17)
Mahon - 10 weekly (8)
Milan - 11 weekly (11)
Montpellier - 4 weekly (4)
Munich - 4 weekly (4)
Mykonos - 2 weekly (2)
Naples - 7 weekly (4)
Nice - 15 weekly (15)
Olbia - 3 weekly (2)
Paris - 16 weekly (16)
Pisa - 9 weekly (8)
Porto - 4 weekly (3)
Reykjavik - 6 weekly (4)
Rome - 5 weekly (5)
Split - 7 weekly (4)
Tel Aviv - 12 weekly (11)
Venice - 7 weekly (5)
Vienna - 4 weekly (4)
Zurich - 12 weekly (7)
New routes for August 2017 compared to 2016
Biarritz 2 weekly
Lanzarote 2 weekly
Marseille 4 weekly
Nantes 4 weekly
Rhodes 2 weekly
Stockholm 4 weekly
Tenerife 3 weekly
Toulouse 5 weekly
Valencia 3 weekly
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I though I would compare Easyjet schedule from last August to August 2017. Brackets being last years weekly amount of flights
Easyjet 2017
Aberdeen - 5 weekly (5)
Alicante - 14 weekly (14)
Amsterdam - 33 weekly (25)
Antalya - 2 weekly (2)
Barcelona - 21 weekly (14)
Basel - 7 weekly (7)
Belfast - 24 weekly (23)
Berlin - 11 weekly (13)
Bodrum - 2 weekly (2)
Bordeaux - 8 weekly (8)
Catania - 4 weekly (3)
Copenhagen - 0 weekly (19)
Corfu - 5 weekly (5)
Heraklion - 2 weekly (2)
Paphos - 5 weekly (4)
Dortmund - 5 weekly (6)
Dubrovnik 3 weekly (2)
Edinburgh - 22 weekly (21)
Essaouira - 2 weekly (2)
Faro - 17 weekly (16)
Geneva - 12 weekly (12)
Glasgow - 15 weekly (15)
Hamburg - 6 weekly (6)
Ibiza - 7 weekly (7)
Inverness - 11 weekly (11)
Jersey - 5 weekly (5)
Lisbon - 14 weekly (14)
Lyon - 6 weekly (5)
Madrid - 7 weekly (7)
Palma - 20 weekly (21)
Malaga - 19 weekly (17)
Mahon - 10 weekly (8)
Milan - 11 weekly (11)
Montpellier - 4 weekly (4)
Munich - 4 weekly (4)
Mykonos - 2 weekly (2)
Naples - 7 weekly (4)
Nice - 15 weekly (15)
Olbia - 3 weekly (2)
Paris - 16 weekly (16)
Pisa - 9 weekly (8)
Porto - 4 weekly (3)
Reykjavik - 6 weekly (4)
Rome - 5 weekly (5)
Split - 7 weekly (4)
Tel Aviv - 12 weekly (11)
Venice - 7 weekly (5)
Vienna - 4 weekly (4)
Zurich - 12 weekly (7)
New routes for August 2017 compared to 2016
Biarritz 2 weekly
Lanzarote 2 weekly
Marseille 4 weekly
Nantes 4 weekly
Rhodes 2 weekly
Stockholm 4 weekly
Tenerife 3 weekly
Toulouse 5 weekly
Valencia 3 weekly
Easyjet 2017
Aberdeen - 5 weekly (5)
Alicante - 14 weekly (14)
Amsterdam - 33 weekly (25)
Antalya - 2 weekly (2)
Barcelona - 21 weekly (14)
Basel - 7 weekly (7)
Belfast - 24 weekly (23)
Berlin - 11 weekly (13)
Bodrum - 2 weekly (2)
Bordeaux - 8 weekly (8)
Catania - 4 weekly (3)
Copenhagen - 0 weekly (19)
Corfu - 5 weekly (5)
Heraklion - 2 weekly (2)
Paphos - 5 weekly (4)
Dortmund - 5 weekly (6)
Dubrovnik 3 weekly (2)
Edinburgh - 22 weekly (21)
Essaouira - 2 weekly (2)
Faro - 17 weekly (16)
Geneva - 12 weekly (12)
Glasgow - 15 weekly (15)
Hamburg - 6 weekly (6)
Ibiza - 7 weekly (7)
Inverness - 11 weekly (11)
Jersey - 5 weekly (5)
Lisbon - 14 weekly (14)
Lyon - 6 weekly (5)
Madrid - 7 weekly (7)
Palma - 20 weekly (21)
Malaga - 19 weekly (17)
Mahon - 10 weekly (8)
Milan - 11 weekly (11)
Montpellier - 4 weekly (4)
Munich - 4 weekly (4)
Mykonos - 2 weekly (2)
Naples - 7 weekly (4)
Nice - 15 weekly (15)
Olbia - 3 weekly (2)
Paris - 16 weekly (16)
Pisa - 9 weekly (8)
Porto - 4 weekly (3)
Reykjavik - 6 weekly (4)
Rome - 5 weekly (5)
Split - 7 weekly (4)
Tel Aviv - 12 weekly (11)
Venice - 7 weekly (5)
Vienna - 4 weekly (4)
Zurich - 12 weekly (7)
New routes for August 2017 compared to 2016
Biarritz 2 weekly
Lanzarote 2 weekly
Marseille 4 weekly
Nantes 4 weekly
Rhodes 2 weekly
Stockholm 4 weekly
Tenerife 3 weekly
Toulouse 5 weekly
Valencia 3 weekly
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Better news for a change, according to the AA Luton comes out the cheapest of the major airports to park your car for a week during February half-term. London City is the most expensive.
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It is hard to work out how the airport decides on its car park pricing.
A weeks parking from tomorrow has the pricing in the following order.
£53.99 Long term
£64.99 Mid term
£81.99 Multistory
£86.99 Priority Multistory
£103.99 Short term
March 1st
£47.99 Long term
£57.99 Mid term
£66.99 Priority Multistory
£87.99 Multistory
£91.99 Short term
April 1st (school holidays)
£59.99 Long term
£71.99 Mid term
£86.99 Short term
£88.99 Priority Multistory
£91.99 Multistory
August 1st
£39.99 Long term
£71.99 Mid term
£86.99 Short term
£88.99 Priority Multistory
£91.99 Multistory
For tomorrow the multistory is the 3rd cheapest while the short term is the most expensive
In March Priority Parking becomes the 3rd cheapest, which is labour intensive and is £21 cheaper than the same multistory car park where people park their own cars.
In April the short term becomes the 3rd cheapest with the multistory becoming the most expensive, which is the same as August.
With the short term becoming the cheapest option inside the CTA when booked around 10 weeks or more in advance it might be one of the reasons why there is a lack of spaces for those that turn up on the day.
Also I would have thought that this would be the ideal time to finally resurface the short term car park but so far it seems to be still on the back burner and will no doubt be done during the summer peak.
A weeks parking from tomorrow has the pricing in the following order.
£53.99 Long term
£64.99 Mid term
£81.99 Multistory
£86.99 Priority Multistory
£103.99 Short term
March 1st
£47.99 Long term
£57.99 Mid term
£66.99 Priority Multistory
£87.99 Multistory
£91.99 Short term
April 1st (school holidays)
£59.99 Long term
£71.99 Mid term
£86.99 Short term
£88.99 Priority Multistory
£91.99 Multistory
August 1st
£39.99 Long term
£71.99 Mid term
£86.99 Short term
£88.99 Priority Multistory
£91.99 Multistory
For tomorrow the multistory is the 3rd cheapest while the short term is the most expensive
In March Priority Parking becomes the 3rd cheapest, which is labour intensive and is £21 cheaper than the same multistory car park where people park their own cars.
In April the short term becomes the 3rd cheapest with the multistory becoming the most expensive, which is the same as August.
With the short term becoming the cheapest option inside the CTA when booked around 10 weeks or more in advance it might be one of the reasons why there is a lack of spaces for those that turn up on the day.
Also I would have thought that this would be the ideal time to finally resurface the short term car park but so far it seems to be still on the back burner and will no doubt be done during the summer peak.
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Munich operates 4 weekly in the summer and 5 weekly at the end of 2017, but is operating daily currently until the 31 March where it returns to 5 weekly until 26 June I think EZY are still holding off due to Munich flights still being at Stansted. Munich has seen a good increase in traffic in 2016 compared to 2015. Munich needs to offer more attractive flight times I think as all flights depart in the evening from London and at night from Munich. If they offered some morning departures on Mondays and Fridays they could capture more weekend breaks and also business traffic departing early on Monday mornings. Other routes are also like this where departure times need to vary more, like Ibiza (night flights only) & Aberdeen (mid afternoon flights only)
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Amsterdam - 33 weekly (25)
Barcelona - 21 weekly (14)
Zurich - 12 weekly (7)
Barcelona - 21 weekly (14)
Zurich - 12 weekly (7)
Anyone know how Vueling are performing from Luton? Im sure if they were not operating successfully they would have been culled, liked they did on numerous other routes across Europe.