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Work has started to put in the traffic light controlled junction to the mid term car park. Kerbing and lighting has also now been completed back to the tunnel. The tunnel has had kerbing installed now for a few weeks and is ready for tarmacking.
This cleared area which has been pegged out will soon have the missing section of inbound road built that will link the tunnel to the ring road. In the distance and to the right of the bus can be seen the tarmacking machine that will start work on Monday on tarmacking the incomplete road that is parallel to the drop off area.
What is clear is that the missing section of road won't be completed for the start of the schools Easter break so massive traffic jams can be expected for Easter due to road width restrictions around the bus station which slows traffic to a crawl.
The old CTA roundabout has been dug out.
The steelwork for pier B continues to be put in. Under this section of road will eventually be the maintenance area for the mass transit system when the new drop off zone is moved yet again.
The south stands extension is receiving hardcore at the 08 end while the 26 end is being dug out. Eventually the new stands will be extended to the taxiway when the project is a bit more advanced.
Work has started on digging out the 08 taxiway extension. The compass bay has been closed off to aircraft.
This cleared area which has been pegged out will soon have the missing section of inbound road built that will link the tunnel to the ring road. In the distance and to the right of the bus can be seen the tarmacking machine that will start work on Monday on tarmacking the incomplete road that is parallel to the drop off area.
What is clear is that the missing section of road won't be completed for the start of the schools Easter break so massive traffic jams can be expected for Easter due to road width restrictions around the bus station which slows traffic to a crawl.
The old CTA roundabout has been dug out.
The steelwork for pier B continues to be put in. Under this section of road will eventually be the maintenance area for the mass transit system when the new drop off zone is moved yet again.
The south stands extension is receiving hardcore at the 08 end while the 26 end is being dug out. Eventually the new stands will be extended to the taxiway when the project is a bit more advanced.
Work has started on digging out the 08 taxiway extension. The compass bay has been closed off to aircraft.
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A few more docs were added to the council's planning website since the original planning application. In one of them the location of the second tunnel under taxiway alpha is shown. The dates indicate construction will be between Q1 and Q3 2019.
The document also states "... the proposed development will result in the net loss of c.823 parking spaces at the mid stay car park, it will at the same time enable a far greater number of passengers to adopt more sustainable travel to and from the airport, via the new MPT system and the rail network. Furthermore, to mitigate the loss of the existing parking spaces, LLAL are committed to providing ‘temporary’ decked parking spaces at the Mid-Stay Car Park along with the development of a new permanent multi- storey car park at Central Terminal around 2018."
The document also states "... the proposed development will result in the net loss of c.823 parking spaces at the mid stay car park, it will at the same time enable a far greater number of passengers to adopt more sustainable travel to and from the airport, via the new MPT system and the rail network. Furthermore, to mitigate the loss of the existing parking spaces, LLAL are committed to providing ‘temporary’ decked parking spaces at the Mid-Stay Car Park along with the development of a new permanent multi- storey car park at Central Terminal around 2018."
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Who wouldn't want to see SAS at Luton and why not? Scandinavia has always been a big gap in Luton's operations. The Copenhagen competition experiment is coming to an end, yes easyJet & Monarch are starting Stockholm but SAS could forge a decent low-cost operation covering multiple Scandinavian destinations - Copenhagen, Stockholm, Oslo, Gothenburg, Stavanager.....
Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. But then few people predicted El-Al!!
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I think it could definitely be a possibility since Copenhagen which is the busiest route out of Luton currently is about to seize completely. As others have said, Oslo could also be added but I think it would be interesting to see SAS operating outside of CPH, ARN & OSL from Luton to more secondary cities.
I struggle to see the merit of Scandinavian selling their LHR slots and moving to a point-to-point base. They benefit from their Star Alliance/codeshare feed partners out of LHR. None of their codeshare partners operate from LTN.
Although that they have a huge operation up there you can't call any of their Scandinavian bases a genuine global hub, because of its Northerly location and the number of destinations they serve, so using LTN as a spoke for their ARN/CPH/OSL bases is a non starter.
Although that they have a huge operation up there you can't call any of their Scandinavian bases a genuine global hub, because of its Northerly location and the number of destinations they serve, so using LTN as a spoke for their ARN/CPH/OSL bases is a non starter.
Just supposing SAS open routes from Luton to Scandinavia (and this is utterly hypothetical)...
Is the connecting traffic on LHR-ARN/CPH/OSL primarily people flying to/from the south east of the UK connecting to NE Europe, or is it people coming from N.America going to the Scandinavian capitals ? Or to put it another way, just how much benefit is there to SAS from having a Star hub at Heathrow ?
I know that Lufthansa Group, United and Air Canada have a metal neutral joint venture. For someone transferring between N.America and NE Europe via Heathrow, are SAS however ending up in the same position as British Midland were 10 years ago - namely incurring many of the costs of connecting passengers but because revenue is split by distance flown, the profits end up accruing to United rather than SAS.
Could someone flying from Kansas (for example) to Stockholm perhaps be routed via Newark instead of Heathrow ? I'm wondering also if SAS are finding that the costs of using Heathrow as a transatlantic hub are too high compared to transferring passengers between Star Alliance member airlines elsewhere
Is the connecting traffic on LHR-ARN/CPH/OSL primarily people flying to/from the south east of the UK connecting to NE Europe, or is it people coming from N.America going to the Scandinavian capitals ? Or to put it another way, just how much benefit is there to SAS from having a Star hub at Heathrow ?
I know that Lufthansa Group, United and Air Canada have a metal neutral joint venture. For someone transferring between N.America and NE Europe via Heathrow, are SAS however ending up in the same position as British Midland were 10 years ago - namely incurring many of the costs of connecting passengers but because revenue is split by distance flown, the profits end up accruing to United rather than SAS.
Could someone flying from Kansas (for example) to Stockholm perhaps be routed via Newark instead of Heathrow ? I'm wondering also if SAS are finding that the costs of using Heathrow as a transatlantic hub are too high compared to transferring passengers between Star Alliance member airlines elsewhere
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Calm down everyone your all getting ahead of yourself regarding SAS!
Dannyboy39 makes a very legitimate point.
Ever since my first plane spotting trip to Luton in 1979 although I had visited the airport before that I've been aware of how the local spotters assume every airline operating under the sun will appear at Luton, nothing's changed.
Dannyboy39 makes a very legitimate point.
Ever since my first plane spotting trip to Luton in 1979 although I had visited the airport before that I've been aware of how the local spotters assume every airline operating under the sun will appear at Luton, nothing's changed.
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I too think it will be SAS as they can tap into the LTN-CPH market which is circa 750k of pax pa and about to be almost abandoned by EZY & RYR.
Remember SAS have at least 20 daily LHR flight so loosing 6 daily to LTN makes sense in terms of making some money but at the same time keeping a good schedule at LHR.
If not SAS it must be Alitalia or Air Portugal going to LTN ?
Remember SAS have at least 20 daily LHR flight so loosing 6 daily to LTN makes sense in terms of making some money but at the same time keeping a good schedule at LHR.
If not SAS it must be Alitalia or Air Portugal going to LTN ?
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There is no 'must' be Alitalia or TAP Air Portugal going to Luton!
Get a grip of those two airlines it would be more than likely be Alitalia seeing there in a terrible financial so selling a few slots at LHR maybe a good idea as they already serve LCY to LIN and FCO.
TAP Air Portugal already serve LGW with a multitude of flights to Faro, Funchal and Lisbon so any move away from LHR would be to LGW not LTN.
But to be honest it's not going to be either of those and I don't honestly expect any respectful airline to move their operations or a good part of it to the likes of LTN when STN offers so much more and has the space to accommodate them 'with airbridges as well'!
If they did they must be completely mad or desperate for the cash from seeking to sell any precious LHR slots and moving to LTN.
Get a grip of those two airlines it would be more than likely be Alitalia seeing there in a terrible financial so selling a few slots at LHR maybe a good idea as they already serve LCY to LIN and FCO.
TAP Air Portugal already serve LGW with a multitude of flights to Faro, Funchal and Lisbon so any move away from LHR would be to LGW not LTN.
But to be honest it's not going to be either of those and I don't honestly expect any respectful airline to move their operations or a good part of it to the likes of LTN when STN offers so much more and has the space to accommodate them 'with airbridges as well'!
If they did they must be completely mad or desperate for the cash from seeking to sell any precious LHR slots and moving to LTN.
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Just supposing SAS open routes from Luton to Scandinavia (and this is utterly hypothetical)...
Is the connecting traffic on LHR-ARN/CPH/OSL primarily people flying to/from the south east of the UK connecting to NE Europe, or is it people coming from N.America going to the Scandinavian capitals ? Or to put it another way, just how much benefit is there to SAS from having a Star hub at Heathrow ?
I know that Lufthansa Group, United and Air Canada have a metal neutral joint venture. For someone transferring between N.America and NE Europe via Heathrow, are SAS however ending up in the same position as British Midland were 10 years ago - namely incurring many of the costs of connecting passengers but because revenue is split by distance flown, the profits end up accruing to United rather than SAS.
Could someone flying from Kansas (for example) to Stockholm perhaps be routed via Newark instead of Heathrow ? I'm wondering also if SAS are finding that the costs of using Heathrow as a transatlantic hub are too high compared to transferring passengers between Star Alliance member airlines elsewhere
Is the connecting traffic on LHR-ARN/CPH/OSL primarily people flying to/from the south east of the UK connecting to NE Europe, or is it people coming from N.America going to the Scandinavian capitals ? Or to put it another way, just how much benefit is there to SAS from having a Star hub at Heathrow ?
I know that Lufthansa Group, United and Air Canada have a metal neutral joint venture. For someone transferring between N.America and NE Europe via Heathrow, are SAS however ending up in the same position as British Midland were 10 years ago - namely incurring many of the costs of connecting passengers but because revenue is split by distance flown, the profits end up accruing to United rather than SAS.
Could someone flying from Kansas (for example) to Stockholm perhaps be routed via Newark instead of Heathrow ? I'm wondering also if SAS are finding that the costs of using Heathrow as a transatlantic hub are too high compared to transferring passengers between Star Alliance member airlines elsewhere
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I am in agreement with canberra97. I can't see the appeal of Luton over Stansted for any airline that was seriously thinking of moving a chunk of its operation out of Heathrow. One point against Stansted though is the Ryanair factor.
Once the rail link is open in 2021 I think Luton's appeal will increase somewhat over Stansted particularly if London to the terminal front door can be achieved in just 30 minutes. It can't be under estimated the importance of the new link to the station.
Once the rail link is open in 2021 I think Luton's appeal will increase somewhat over Stansted particularly if London to the terminal front door can be achieved in just 30 minutes. It can't be under estimated the importance of the new link to the station.
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Wizzair will have 6.5 million available seats at LTN this year. If Easy have A/C 22 and 23 joining the fleet then LTN should reach over 16 Million this year end.
I believe the loss of Copenhagen flights will no longer be detrimental to passenger growth.
Lets not forget both LHR and LGW are both reaching saturation at this given time.
It would be prudent for the current operators at Luton to consider further investment at Luton.
I believe the loss of Copenhagen flights will no longer be detrimental to passenger growth.
Lets not forget both LHR and LGW are both reaching saturation at this given time.
It would be prudent for the current operators at Luton to consider further investment at Luton.
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Futher investment and expansion is inevitable. The airport has taken control of Wigmore Park which is itself a government enterprise zone. I have already seen a report that talks about 24 million passengers so a terminal 2 looks inevitable. The mass transit system being built will end facing the park so a continuation to terminal 2 could be put in.
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Again, anyone thinking SAS would move to LTN is living in fantasy land. Don't forget they recently tried a move out of LHR when they shifted Gothenburg to STN and it didn't go too well.
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A few more docs were added to the council's planning website since the original planning application.
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Where this 'rumour' came from I think is that SAS want to set up a lower cost operation from London. Now think about it - cannot be at Heathrow, Gatwick more or less full, Southend not suitable due performance restrictions, Stansted - could possibly be but tried it once and not very successful plus Ryanair operate a large number of flights to their heartland which leaves one other - now which one would that be I wonder?