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Yes April 2016 according to Derry Journal
Derry to Dublin flights start in April 2016 - Derry Journal
Derry to Dublin flights start in April 2016 - Derry Journal
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Given they already subventing the Dublin - Donegal it Doesent make much logic to then subvent an airport beside it to basically take passengers from the Donegal service they already supporting ! The transport minister it appears has already ruled it out in any case - wish Derry well with the new service should be popular
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Owen C,
' probably used more by people from border areas rather than people living in Northern Ireland'
Seriously Owen C, people from border areas live in Northern Ireland and some on the Republic side. 'Probably' is nothing more than guesswork..
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'Should be popular', the previous flights on this route were not well subscribed, often as few as 2-5 passengers. The UK is paying for this subsvension, while the Dublin Carrickfinn route is subsidised by the Irish government.
I don't see that they will take many passengers from Donegal route, have you ever driven to Carrickfinn, it's quite remote and caters for the locality. Besides the numbers who would be equidistant between the two quite likely to be very small numbers given the small size of these respective markets. Equally the prices in euro will be attractive to people in Eurozone area, so unlikely they will want to go to City of Derry which is on the east side of the city and pay a premium to pay in GBP£.
The Isle of Man route will be an interesting one, no doubt to facilitate the positioning of the aircraft over for the new route.
A Belfast city Cork route was well subscribed in its day, before the economic downturn and sometime before the crash. I'd have thought Stobart could have gotten in there... That may have been a sustainable route...
' probably used more by people from border areas rather than people living in Northern Ireland'
Seriously Owen C, people from border areas live in Northern Ireland and some on the Republic side. 'Probably' is nothing more than guesswork..
Dreamliner_01
'Should be popular', the previous flights on this route were not well subscribed, often as few as 2-5 passengers. The UK is paying for this subsvension, while the Dublin Carrickfinn route is subsidised by the Irish government.
I don't see that they will take many passengers from Donegal route, have you ever driven to Carrickfinn, it's quite remote and caters for the locality. Besides the numbers who would be equidistant between the two quite likely to be very small numbers given the small size of these respective markets. Equally the prices in euro will be attractive to people in Eurozone area, so unlikely they will want to go to City of Derry which is on the east side of the city and pay a premium to pay in GBP£.
The Isle of Man route will be an interesting one, no doubt to facilitate the positioning of the aircraft over for the new route.
A Belfast city Cork route was well subscribed in its day, before the economic downturn and sometime before the crash. I'd have thought Stobart could have gotten in there... That may have been a sustainable route...
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Reading the Derry Journal and all the statements, I initially thought that LDY had acquired a twice daily Emirates A380 flight to Dubai.
Wonder if the folks are aware of the fact that flights will be in 19seat LET410s and not pressurised ATRs or Saabs as in the past - not even as swanky as the Avair Shorts 330 more than 30 years ago.
Wonder if the folks are aware of the fact that flights will be in 19seat LET410s and not pressurised ATRs or Saabs as in the past - not even as swanky as the Avair Shorts 330 more than 30 years ago.
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Aer Arann did Belfast City Cork twice daily by ATR 72 and it did very well. As the financial crisis hit and was extreme in ROI numbers declined and the improved motorway hit it too. It went to daily and wasnt suitable for biz pax.
Manx2 were not in the route for very long. And the route came about for the first time by Jetmagic about 2000/1...
Aer Arann did Belfast City Cork twice daily by ATR 72 and it did very well. As the financial crisis hit and was extreme in ROI numbers declined and the improved motorway hit it too. It went to daily and wasnt suitable for biz pax.
Manx2 were not in the route for very long. And the route came about for the first time by Jetmagic about 2000/1...
Belfast City? Cork? Wrong thread there fellas.
Back to LDY. Here's something that'll never happen: Flybe want new Derry to London route - Derry Journal
Back to LDY. Here's something that'll never happen: Flybe want new Derry to London route - Derry Journal
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Anyone know the reason that todays Liverpool and London early morning Saturday flights where both diverted to Belfast International?
No fog or frost earlier. Bit windy but not exactly gale force.
No fog or frost earlier. Bit windy but not exactly gale force.
Strong crosswinds and also, with winds from that direction, probably turbulence and mountain wave activity.
You'd be highly disappointed aiming for LDY the Saturday before Christmas and ending up at Aldergrove.
You'd be highly disappointed aiming for LDY the Saturday before Christmas and ending up at Aldergrove.
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Alicante gone?
Alicante is no longer listed as a destination under www.bookryanair.com however an email states it is now possible to book Ryanair flights until October 2016 which implies it should already be loaded.
On the other hand Derry - Alicante flights have been loaded late in previous years. But it's not looking good. Faro is bookable.
On the other hand Derry - Alicante flights have been loaded late in previous years. But it's not looking good. Faro is bookable.
Dunno if something has changed, but the good people who run the CoD Twitter account seemed certain a while back that Alicante would be returning. So sure that it states as much on the front page of their website.
Naturally, when FR are involved, there are no certainties!
Happy New Year!
Naturally, when FR are involved, there are no certainties!
Happy New Year!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35244217
Ryanair are reported to be opening a base at Aldergrove. My understanding had been that they weren't expanding in Derry when they had at Kerry and Knock due to air passenger duty. Well this puts the lie to that.
I think Ryanair should be asked to put up or shut up at LDY. If they're not prepared to invest then they're simply an impediment to obtaining other airlines who might be prepared to.
Ryanair are reported to be opening a base at Aldergrove. My understanding had been that they weren't expanding in Derry when they had at Kerry and Knock due to air passenger duty. Well this puts the lie to that.
I think Ryanair should be asked to put up or shut up at LDY. If they're not prepared to invest then they're simply an impediment to obtaining other airlines who might be prepared to.
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Airport: We want you to operate more routes, please.
Ryanair: No, we don't want to, unless you give us large amounts of money.
Airport: We can't do that.
Ryanair: OK, then we won't operate more routes.
Airport: If you don't want to operate more routes, then please go away.
Ryanair: OK, fine, we'll go away.
(sound of B737s departing to Aldergrove)
Airport: Er...hello flyBE? Hello Stobart? Hello bmi regional? Hello... anyone?
In my experience, people who state that airports (especially small airports) should lay down the law to airlines (especially Ryanair) are greatly overestimating the level of influence the airport has. But maybe I've misunderstood what you are suggesting?
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How would this work, then?
Airport: We want you to operate more routes, please.
Ryanair: No, we don't want to, unless you give us large amounts of money.
Airport: We can't do that.
Ryanair: OK, then we won't operate more routes.
Airport: If you don't want to operate more routes, then please go away.
Ryanair: OK, fine, we'll go away.
(sound of B737s departing to Aldergrove)
Airport: Er...hello flyBE? Hello Stobart? Hello bmi regional? Hello... anyone?
In my experience, people who state that airports (especially small airports) should lay down the law to airlines (especially Ryanair) are greatly overestimating the level of influence the airport has. But maybe I've misunderstood what you are suggesting?
Airport: We want you to operate more routes, please.
Ryanair: No, we don't want to, unless you give us large amounts of money.
Airport: We can't do that.
Ryanair: OK, then we won't operate more routes.
Airport: If you don't want to operate more routes, then please go away.
Ryanair: OK, fine, we'll go away.
(sound of B737s departing to Aldergrove)
Airport: Er...hello flyBE? Hello Stobart? Hello bmi regional? Hello... anyone?
In my experience, people who state that airports (especially small airports) should lay down the law to airlines (especially Ryanair) are greatly overestimating the level of influence the airport has. But maybe I've misunderstood what you are suggesting?
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That's what it already looks like.
Ryanair came in 1999 and expanded until 2008 after which they have continually retrenched with the airport losing Tenerife, Birmingham, Bristol and East Midlands with Stansted cut from twice daily to once daily.
Apparently the impetus to commencing operations at Aldergrove is the availability of a Gatwick slot but they are also apparently promising 1 million passengers on new routes to Germany etc. If air passenger duty isn't an issue then why could this not have been done at LDY?
If Ryanair have no commitment to the airport then throw them out. Now I understand that the problems at LDY are not just the airport's fault and that there will continue to be difficulties so long as the local economy continues to suffer blatant discrimination from Stormont in provision of university places, lack of decentralisation and Invest NI only promoting Belfast etc but in the meantime if Ryanair aren't part of the solution then they're part of the problem.
Throw them out and rebuild from scratch. The continued presence of Ryanair is deterring additional operators.
Ryanair came in 1999 and expanded until 2008 after which they have continually retrenched with the airport losing Tenerife, Birmingham, Bristol and East Midlands with Stansted cut from twice daily to once daily.
Apparently the impetus to commencing operations at Aldergrove is the availability of a Gatwick slot but they are also apparently promising 1 million passengers on new routes to Germany etc. If air passenger duty isn't an issue then why could this not have been done at LDY?
If Ryanair have no commitment to the airport then throw them out. Now I understand that the problems at LDY are not just the airport's fault and that there will continue to be difficulties so long as the local economy continues to suffer blatant discrimination from Stormont in provision of university places, lack of decentralisation and Invest NI only promoting Belfast etc but in the meantime if Ryanair aren't part of the solution then they're part of the problem.
Throw them out and rebuild from scratch. The continued presence of Ryanair is deterring additional operators.
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Listening to The Mark Patterson show on BBC Radio Foyle
He has a piece later about a listener who claims to have got an email from Ryanair saying that the Alicante flight has been pulled completely.
Edit - he has just also said that the Faro flight is increasing.
He has a piece later about a listener who claims to have got an email from Ryanair saying that the Alicante flight has been pulled completely.
Edit - he has just also said that the Faro flight is increasing.
Last edited by scodaman; 7th Jan 2016 at 12:19.