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Join Date: Jul 2009
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Possibly some money being set aside for upgrading the field? It needs a new taxiway linking down to Runway 08, and the Alpha taxiway needs upgraded also.
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So CODA will be funded by the local rate payers and also funded by a rescue package from the NI executive to enable PSO funded routes. That's a whole lot of funding going on.
Join Date: Nov 2014
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Unlikely worse that an airport down the road with near 4.5million pax down the road giving an airline an unconditional subsidy.
At least the CODA PSO is designed to make a route work.
At least the CODA PSO is designed to make a route work.
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Ok let's get this straight multi millions coming out of the public purse to keep open in my eyes someone's hobby/interest, for a route that will carry 75000pa surely it would make more sense to just pour the money into a good motorway that everyone instead of the select few could enjoy.
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Catostrophic for the local economy if you do that. A city of such a size as Derry needs an airport. The horrible economic issues in Derry wont improve if its aids are taken away.
Guys, the £9m gift for a profitable airline to continue to fly from BFS to JFK, and the money being mooted for LDY would probably get you about 500 metres of motorway. The naiveity regarding the cost of building roads is incredible. The 6.75km dual carriageway from Derry to the airport cost £36million, and costs will have undoubtedly risen since then.
If the Executive see funding LDY as a salve for the years of underinvestment in the NW, then so be it.
If the Executive see funding LDY as a salve for the years of underinvestment in the NW, then so be it.
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Cobblers a good road link makes it more accessible for everyone and business, also opens up jobs for locals 45 mins to Belfast what more could you ask for. Oh no this is ni lets poor money into a turkey that will never make money. The north west will event ill be left without an airport and without a good road link because all the money will be wasted
Go on then. Tell us how much a class a motorway between Derry and Belfast would cost, and where you think those hundreds of millions are coming from. Also, why the hell should the people of Derry have to travel to Belfast for work?
Join Date: Apr 2009
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The West of the Bann isn't a charity case depending on patronage from Belfast's public purse. It is entitled to a fair share of its government expenditure and investment and if it had such it would have a functioning economy and, it follows, a viable airport.
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If you want a pint every night it's wise to live by a pub, Belfast has been and always will be the business capital of Northern Ireland newry/Derry/Londonderry /Armagh/Lisburn are in my opinion only city's by default. A good road network would make a world of difference compared to Derry airport. How much realistically does the airport contribute to the economy? I'm open for figures, how many hotel rooms got filled as a direct result etc etc piling money into the airport is only a short term solution and I fear what I said above will come true no airport no decent road
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Cobblers a good road link makes it more accessible for everyone and business, also opens up jobs for locals 45 mins to Belfast what more could you ask for. Oh no this is ni lets poor money into a turkey that will never make money. The north west will event ill be left without an airport and without a good road link because all the money will be wasted
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Without giving too much away...I have a few insights in to this. CODA has always cost the NI ( but of course meaning the British) taxpayer an arm and a leg. DFP got pissed off with slicing off chunks of capital and the deal was to pay for the runway realignment in exchange for the outsource deal.
It used to cost the taxpayer (in its broadest sense) around £4.5m pa, now it costs around half that after a real neat bit of competitive outsourcing done a few years back.
The economic analysis done around that time about the 'value' of the airport to the region was always a bit skewed ...but in a favourable way to try and 'help' the NW.....you guys out there just think that the power brokers are anti-NW but my experience was not like that..... but...the numbers and methodology used then are now way out of date....the economic analysis of the 90s that RYR used to use - about 1m pax generated = 1k jobs......out of date then....massively out of date now.
The problem is...and always will be.. lack of market / small population in a remote region....classic subsidy territory.
Personally I believe in the state intervening only in the case of market failure....which is what I think we have here.
CODA needs (probably) three at least daily routes run by a FlyBe (but not necessarily them) type operation.....
Glasgow....(PIK or GLA)...cultural . VFR route.
MAN........this is the FlyBe hub connect route that could link Derry to the world and.......
of course.....
London for the point to point stuff. Doesn't matter which airport it is frankly
.....then of course the seasonal holiday stuff
RYR was a distraction for way too many years and their presence always got in the way of sensible and rational thinking.
This RYR retrenchment is not a threat but an opportunity.
It used to cost the taxpayer (in its broadest sense) around £4.5m pa, now it costs around half that after a real neat bit of competitive outsourcing done a few years back.
The economic analysis done around that time about the 'value' of the airport to the region was always a bit skewed ...but in a favourable way to try and 'help' the NW.....you guys out there just think that the power brokers are anti-NW but my experience was not like that..... but...the numbers and methodology used then are now way out of date....the economic analysis of the 90s that RYR used to use - about 1m pax generated = 1k jobs......out of date then....massively out of date now.
The problem is...and always will be.. lack of market / small population in a remote region....classic subsidy territory.
Personally I believe in the state intervening only in the case of market failure....which is what I think we have here.
CODA needs (probably) three at least daily routes run by a FlyBe (but not necessarily them) type operation.....
Glasgow....(PIK or GLA)...cultural . VFR route.
MAN........this is the FlyBe hub connect route that could link Derry to the world and.......
of course.....
London for the point to point stuff. Doesn't matter which airport it is frankly
.....then of course the seasonal holiday stuff
RYR was a distraction for way too many years and their presence always got in the way of sensible and rational thinking.
This RYR retrenchment is not a threat but an opportunity.
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Derry was a city 284 years earlier in 1604.
Greater Belfast has a population of 587,000.
Greater Derry has a population of 237,000.