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Old 4th Mar 2018, 17:14
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Originally Posted by SE210 View Post
The pay scheme I have seen includes bonus and dividend, whereby the gross salary for captains reach +9000 euros.

I do not say, that Air Baltic is perfect, but they react and adapt, when they have to.

The idea of SAS Ireland is out of sync. They could have gotten away with it five years ago, but now every company is screaming for pilots. Primarily Easyjet will absorb any good vacant Airbuspilot in Europe.
Good vacant airbus pilot?
You say people at SAIL are not good?
Not going to ezy for sure.
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Old 4th Mar 2018, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Raski View Post
Good vacant airbus pilot?
You say people at SAIL are not good?
Not going to ezy for sure.
So where are you going then?
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Old 4th Mar 2018, 22:04
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Anyone chosing sail over easyjet should have their medical revoked, end of story.
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Old 5th Mar 2018, 00:53
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Originally Posted by Flygare View Post
No GScapture, we can´t agree on that!

The company demanded a B-scale in the period of some 10 years when SAS didn´t hire any new pilots. The unions were forced to accept it, but when new pilots started being hired again, the unions managed to get rid of the B-scale. This was done at the expence of the older guys.
So much for selling out younger guys, right!

The company has been union busting for years and years, and the unions have been played out against each other. They have been more or less power less and had no way of stopping SAIL, etc, etc.

Understood Flygare, then I’ve must got wrong information regarding that. Sorry about that.

I’ve heard similar stories about the company playing with unions and trying to bust them. Regardless what’s going on the company structure and business strategy must been a bit off if they came down to this level that it is absolutely necessary to outsource everything, undermine everything. Not a lot “Scandinavian equality” in there. Or then it is just extremely badly run company. But that’s a whole different story and this topic is about SAIL.

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Old 8th Mar 2018, 12:31
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So after 16 pages on PPRuNe and three months of operations what's the overall assessment of this new "low cost" carrier operating on behalf of SAS. It sounds mixed to say the very least and more like a Ryanair set up than anything resembling SAS mainline
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Old 8th Mar 2018, 13:09
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New chairman of the board of SAS just got a 61% increase in financial compensation '-to restore pre-2012 levels'

Good way of leading the way forward
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 07:01
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Aer Lingus offers 2000€ more in basic salary for FO's.

Malaga base postponed indefinitely.

5 brand new Neo's arrived. They fly on average 9 sectors per day. 1,8 sector per aircraft per day is the SAS way of optimizing things.

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Old 15th Mar 2018, 09:01
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Malaga base postponed indefinitely.

5 brand new Neo's arrived. They fly on average 9 sectors per day. 1,8 sector per aircraft per day is the SAS way of optimizing things.
Malaga start date has been confirmed.

Aircraft flying considerably more sectors per day than you state. A quick click here will prove that! (Looks like 5 sectors a day - each!) https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ei-sie

Where are you getting your rubbish from? Facebook?
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 09:44
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Does anyone know anything about contract length on SAIL AGP base? I am just curious about what the guys there will be doing during the winter as SAS has verry few flights to mainland Spain in the snowy season.

BR
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 11:29
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No worries, in the winter you'll be sent to Scandinavia to operate flights on SAS network, expect to stay in hotels in CPH, ARN and OSL.

I see that Captains for the AGP base are offered a 6/3 schedule where as F/O's are offered a 5/4 rotation.
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 17:34
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Originally Posted by MD80rookie View Post
No worries, in the winter you'll be sent to Scandinavia to operate flights on SAS network, expect to stay in hotels in CPH, ARN and OSL.

I see that Captains for the AGP base are offered a 6/3 schedule where as F/O's are offered a 5/4 rotation.
FOs are offered 6/3 as well
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Old 29th Mar 2018, 19:41
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Social contributions

Is there anybody here who can shed some light on social contributions if you live and work in Spain? I've been looking at the contract in Malaga and was just wondering if Parc is paying any social contributions as employer because if not, as far as I know, you need to set up your own business and pay a lot. A breakdown would be very much appreciated.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 19:30
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In Spain CAE/PARC are responsible to deduct both your social contributions and income tax at source:

“For employed persons, their contributions are withheld from their pay, and transferred to the General Social Security Revenue Office by their employer together with his own contributions”

Employers pay the majority of the contribution, 23.6%, you pay 4.7% (figures may have increased, but same ratio).

Here is a guide for your/family social benefits in Spain – Link:

http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...20Spain_en.pdf

Income tax is graduated with the highest rate on earnings above 65K at 45% - Link:

Spanish tax rates and allowances for 2018.

You may want to review the Spanish Beckham’s Law (no joke):

“The Special Displaced Workers Regime, the original name of the Beckham Act, was approved in 2004 in Spain with the aim of boosting the national economy by attracting executives and qualified personnel from abroad. The incentive was that, under that regime, the displaced workers who changed their tax residence to Spain would have a tax reduction in their Spanish Income tax (IRPF). Specifically, it allowed them to be taxed as non-residents at the general rate of 24% instead of 43% [now 45%]” - Link:

Beckham Law: Can I Take Advantage of It? (UPDATED IN 2017)

And of course, the mandatory; didn’t you see this coming?
The shameful attack on the terms and conditions of the once envied Scandinavian work/life balance started in 2012, the time when a certain core group of pilots in Norway naively made a precarious agreement with a certain smiling rock-ape to use outsourced pilots at a new base in Finland.

Promises were made the airline would hire all the outsourced pilots when the base became profitable. More bases opened using more outsourced pilots and more false promises made. To the delight of the airline, unions in each country formed separate alliances between outsourced pilots and their service provider employer. Flights increased to/from the Norway hub.

A day of infamy arrived when the original core group of pilots became outsourced pilots themselves. Today they fight a legal battle to restore their former airline employee status and associated employee rights. It’s unfortunate they lacked foresight and fortitude in 2012.

History has shown people are slow to act whenever a regime or megalomaniac seeks to undermine the lives of a particular group, whether directly by force or perhaps disguised as an innovative labour model. We usually stand idly by until irrevocable harm is done, acting at the very last moment. The airline employee is an endangered species due to these abhorrent atypical employment schemes.

Save A Scandinavian.
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Old 31st Mar 2018, 22:50
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Thanks so much Direct Bondi, very useful stuff!

About the last part, I must say I’m in doubt about the contract because of this. Just that this is something that is anyway happening in aviation. For instance if easyJet or Ryanair would start competing with SAS directly, which they do, and offer their pilots less, which they also do, wouldn’t that be the exact same thing? I think it’s seriously time that we pilots start to think about organising ourselves properly and collectively (so not only inside airlines but throughout the industry) and lobby to make laws against the abuse of pilots..
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 11:58
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A previous poster mentioned that the new contract would be on par with Easyjet

Well it's nowhere near. A massive thumbs down by the troops. They have tried to engage with CAE to no avail. Other agencies looking after TUI and TCX Palma have now improved their package due to lack of interest. Well CAE seem to be in denial, nothing to see here, move on. Maybe they were relying on the Monarch pool which has now dried up. People are not joining in the numbers required, CAE may soon have to pay penalties for not meeting their obligations.

BALPA are now meeting with CAE in April. Here's to a positive outcome. It could become q decent operation.
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Old 1st Apr 2018, 14:09
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Originally Posted by triple_2 View Post
For instance if easyJet or Ryanair would start competing with SAS directly, which they do, and offer their pilots less, which they also do
Except they don’t. Both EZ and FR pilots make more than the Scandinavian SAS pilots, with better rosters, etc. Wouldn’t be very nice if SAIL offered better terms than core SAS. That would sort of remove the entire reason for SAIL, which was established due to the «high cost» of the Scandinavian employees. 4% of the total costs for SAS...
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 10:45
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Originally Posted by ATIS View Post
A previous poster mentioned that the new contract would be on par with Easyjet

Well it's nowhere near. A massive thumbs down by the troops. They have tried to engage with CAE to no avail. Other agencies looking after TUI and TCX Palma have now improved their package due to lack of interest. Well CAE seem to be in denial, nothing to see here, move on. Maybe they were relying on the Monarch pool which has now dried up. People are not joining in the numbers required, CAE may soon have to pay penalties for not meeting their obligations.

BALPA are now meeting with CAE in April. Here's to a positive outcome. It could become q decent operation.

True. SAIL are bleeding drivers on a weekly basis, almost.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 14:30
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Originally Posted by semmern View Post
Except they don’t. Both EZ and FR pilots make more than the Scandinavian SAS pilots, with better rosters, etc.
Aprils fool! EZ and FR pilots does not make more than SK core pilots. But hard to compare, given that SK pilots have a fixed monthly salery, and the rest has a variable pay depending on their schedule. But how do you know all this BS you come up with?
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Life on top View Post
Aprils fool! EZ and FR pilots does not make more than SK core pilots. But hard to compare, given that SK pilots have a fixed monthly salery, and the rest has a variable pay depending on their schedule. But how do you know all this BS you come up with?
By looking at my own paycheck and comparing it with those of friends flying for FR and EZ, and DY for that matter. No BS, hard facts. If you don’t know any better than to call BS on things you obviously know nothing about, it’s better to stick a sock in it.
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Old 2nd Apr 2018, 16:26
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Originally Posted by semmern View Post
By looking at my own paycheck and comparing it with those of friends flying for FR and EZ, and DY for that matter. No BS, hard facts. If you don’t know any better than to call BS on things you obviously know nothing about, it’s better to stick a sock in it.
And how many scheduled block hours did you use in your comparison? You are quite the expert in comparing apples and pears, and nagging about the worst of both fruits Did you fly anywhere else than SAS professionally so that you know for sure what you are always talking about?
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