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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Old 16th Jul 2015, 12:34
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Chesty. This was before the redundancies kicked off, I think this was when jet 2 opened up to non type rated bods for the first time in eons. I reckon it was about 3 years ago. I believe they were phoning alot of people up offering similar deals to which alot said no but as this was the first signs of recruitment in the UK for a while I would imagine alot said yes. I just couldn't accept it because my mortgage still needed paying for the 3 months minimum it would have taken me to get online.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 12:41
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Interesting. I came here in 2012 (under the shadow of redundancy) as a 737 DEC, 100% bonded.

It was only shortly after that I heard about this "deal" from friends who'd stayed at Flybe. They said it felt like Jet2 was trying to take advantage of their current employment position!

Wasn't there a presentation specifically for Flybe types to attend at Leeds?
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 12:54
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Maybe it was four years ago, it was certainly way before the redundancy situation at Flybe and it was certainly in the middle of the recession. I believe the feeling was jet 2 were phoning up candidates and offering this to "test the water" to see what pilots would accept and what they wouldn't accept. I know a fair number of my colleagues were offered something similar, as were some of my colleagues in other airlines.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 17:25
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To be honest it's all market lead, whilst there was a glut of pilots on the market the companies could dictate the terms. I am lead to believe all of the new joiners this year are all 100%
I have personally since May this year spoken to 4 pilot's that have joined on 70% and have heard of more.

I agree that 50% pay while training is rubbish and 70% contracts are less than ideal. However you have to look at your own individual circumstances to make that kind of decsion. For some people 70% at Jet 2 will be the same or more than they were on with their previous employer and for some it is an employer that is on the verge of making you redundant or going bust. The 70% part leaves you with 5 months per annum off pro rata. If you book your leave right you can end up with 4 straight months off, in that period you can work somewhere else to make up your wages.

Add into this a free type rating and a small financial sweetener if your training drags on. Add to that living in the north UK and being home every night is an absolute necessity for your personal circumstances and you start to see why people make the choice to go to Jet 2. Is there any other choice in the UK that meet those requirements (especially for DEC) these days?

Yes it's not ideal and 50%/70% is bad for the industry but don't be so quick to judge people that do take it because for many there is simply no other choice. In the schemes of things the deal at Jet 2 is nowhere near as bad as many other employers and once you are on your 100% in your base of choice it's amazing how quickly you forget the misery of 50%/70%!
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 17:57
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Do office staff get offered 70% contracts, until "as and when" the company can make them 100%?

Do office staff get paid 50% until the company have enough time and resource to train them? After all, an area that most trainees have little control over, and is indeed, purely under the control of the company?

No, I didn't think so.
One of the down sides to be a Pilot is they are highly paid (in most cases) assets. Certainly in my previous airlines they were on more $$ than the MD and a lot lot less commercial pressure.
Jet 2 are a seasonal airline as you know. They are just taking advantage of the market conditions. As you know it's quiet common for Cabin Crew to be seasonal so instead of laying Pilots off (fearing they won't come back unlike a lot of cabin crew do) they go to these 70% contracts. Yes it's crap but it might suit some F/O, get the hours and move on, or Captains - move close to home for family reasons.

My experience of Office Staff levels is lean n mean and the 30% saving for a Captains salary will pay for a few!

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Old 16th Jul 2015, 21:05
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Office staff also have no job security. No attempt at a 'Just Culture' or even explanation for removal. No union representation. No guarantee of location. No notice period. Guess all this equals what the CAA would call churn.....
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Old 18th Jul 2015, 17:14
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Anyone else out there doing online tests have server speed issues? Far from ideal on a times test. Wondering which end of the line the problem might be!
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 02:49
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How are the online tests? are they as difficult as before? any good ways to prepare? last year they were very very hard
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 12:20
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Verbal reasoning ! Am I the only one who cannot complete even half the questions in the allotted time ?

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Old 20th Jul 2015, 15:59
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Have people started to hear either way? PFO or interview date?
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Old 20th Jul 2015, 17:32
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I submitted mine and completed the assessments about a week ago. Not heard anything either way yet but I'm sure it will be a good while before we hear any news.

For the tests is read up on currency conversions (A to B to C etc) and it was s hectic 20 minutes! The verbal reasoning I found ok. The 220 personality questionnaire took ages as the iPad didn't seem to like it. Perhaps it's better doing it on a desktop.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 09:27
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It won't be long folks, interviews are taking place in Leeds today.

The company will just about get through this summer by the looks of it although things are beginning to get chaotic. Next summer is a different story altogether if the rumoured number of guys and girls in the BA and FR Hold Pools turns out to be accurate!

As for these online tests, they're not too taxing (unless they've changed in the last couple of years) but none the less a load of utter s***. Jet2 HR behaving as if they're better than they are!

Good luck to those applying. Nice people at Base level but join with your eyes wide open!!!

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Originally Posted by HeartyMeatballs View Post
I submitted mine and completed the assessments about a week ago. Not heard anything either way yet but I'm sure it will be a good while before we hear any news.

For the tests is read up on currency conversions (A to B to C etc) and it was s hectic 20 minutes! The verbal reasoning I found ok. The 220 personality questionnaire took ages as the iPad didn't seem to like it. Perhaps it's better doing it on a desktop.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 10:02
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The company will just about get through this summer by the looks of it although things are beginning to get chaotic. Next summer is a different story altogether if the rumoured number of guys and girls in the BA and FR Hold Pools turns out to be accurate!
FO's are constantly hitting the 100hr in 28 day limit this summer due to the numbers of FO's leaving for the likes of BA.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 10:14
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Any indication of how many positions are on offer yet and the deal that is on the table from anyone that has already interviewed?
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 11:02
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Any indication of how many positions are on offer yet and the deal that is on the table from anyone that has already interviewed?
Lots of positions will be available on both fleets at various bases.

I believe the deals being offered are weighted more towards 100% contracts this year but I've also heard of HR continuing to take the p*** by offering 70% contracts too. The current thinking seems to be NTR get 70% and TR get 100%.

But that could all change as resignations from people off to BA and FR continue to land at LFFH.
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 10:18
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I did the assesments recently. I found them difficult and no chance i could complete the tasks in the allotted time. I presume this is the whole idea to introduce a time pressure element, but even so.

Rocket scientist m not, however the numerical reasoning stuff was A level statistics. Which i did . Years ago. And mechanics. If you need a calculator then its hardly a reasoning test?

Im not going any further if this is what they are looking for. Im B767/757 rated with 6000 hours P1 on my UK licence.

The process is all a bit baffling to those of us who have been use to the face to face interview process.

Ill stick to what i know, oh yes flying !
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 14:36
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The process is all a bit baffling to those of us who have been use to the face to face interview process.
Glad to hear I am not the only one here! I don't mind the odd tech's Q&As sheet but...personality test and verbal reasoning after you are past the 1/2000 hrs mark?

Too many decent ones would slip through the net, I guess.

Well, at least Jet2 HR man is an extremely approachable guy so one can still go fact-finding after 4 weeks of nothing heard...

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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 16:08
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I think that personality and psychological tests will form a huge part of licensing, medical and recruitment in the future.

The unfortunate events in the French Alps will demand it.
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 16:30
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I think that personality and psychological tests will form a huge part of licensing, medical and recruitment in the future.
Possibly but from what I gather right now it seems more that everyone is tarred with the same brush, regardless of whether they are cadets or experienced guys under scrutiny. Not sure it's so wise in terms of quality vs. quantity.

My 2p

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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 18:41
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I'm very sceptical about the value of verbal and numerical testing when it comes to airline recruitment. I've completed and passed half a dozen or so of these bloody things since entering the industry. In the early days I guess it's a measuring stick when there's nothing else to go by. However, passing the Basic flight training without the ability to read, comprehend and deal with numbers would be very difficult.

The benefit of these tests dwindles with experience and for guys with a type rating and hours on type they become nothing more than another way for HR to justify their corner of the wage budget. My 2p worth anyway.

Back on topic, when I joined J2 a number of guys and girls were asked to repeat one or more of the test elements if they were Type Rated and a quick bum on a seat. My point is that these tests may not necessarily be a barrier to joining the company and this is particularly true at a time when J2 are DESPERATE for experienced, rated pilots.
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