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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Old 8th Jul 2015, 17:24
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Old 8th Jul 2015, 19:17
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My point about Orion was that many fore runners of J2 have come and gone. Here today gone tomorrow. Many doing quite well, but caught up in the endless take overs and mergers in the industry.

Have management made any moves to steady the ship? Surely this is busy busy season?
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 09:22
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There is a 'BRICK-WALL' approaching
And you are heading straight for it. Anybody that has doubts about Jet2 all they need to do is look at the Dart Group share price which is at all time high. The City folks are no fools.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 11:18
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Richard Branson quote.
Learn to look after your staff first and the rest will follow.
Even FR have adopted a charm offensive to both customers and staff.
Where FR leads others follow, eventually.
Learn the lesson.

Air Crew ARE one of your most valuable assets.
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Old 10th Jul 2015, 23:01
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Just to add some perspective...in Monarch, all pilots are on an 85% percent contract with no prospect of 100% working.
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Old 11th Jul 2015, 10:32
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Its not that we are saying other places aren't having a tough time, the threat of the next problem at Monarch must be awful, and many of us have gone through redundancies in the past, lets hope they stay and turn it around. I know Jet2 management will be licking their lips if Monarch were to fail, the influx of pilots would solve all of their problems... apart from the training aspect, the year round training program must be leading to TRE/TRI's looking elsewhere for more enjoyable employment.

Morale is at an all time low, management burying their heads in the sand and denying all knowledge. The rostering questionnaire due out will not be pretty reading, and the results will no doubt not be distributed to the workforce like the last one.

So no, things could be worse, and we know that, but with certain management factions and lack of care resignations will continue UFN!
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 09:39
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Jet2 in now the biggest employer of ex bmibaby pilots, the people at Norwegian that wanted/needed a Northern base have long since joined Jet2 or Ryanair, the ex baby pilots remaining in Monarch are now approaching the 3 year point since flying the 'bobby' so its not just a few days in the sim anymore.
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 11:58
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Originally Posted by scratchingthesky View Post
Which rostering questionnaire?
The one distributed to the yes men who will tell the company that everything is rosy.
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 13:13
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Online Tests

The application this year indicated that there would be some online tests, namely personality, numerical and verbal reasoning. So far only the personality test has appeared. A colleague says he had the same, but then another says he had the numerical reasoning test. Can anyone clarify what tests they have had? I'm starting to worry their online system is playing up again.

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Old 12th Jul 2015, 13:22
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Can anyone clarify what tests they have had?
Applied 1 week ago, got personality, verbal reasoning and numerical test. No email or acknowledgement so far, however the job-application page shows "received" status and that all online assessment have been completed.

Indeed their online recruitment system left a lot to be desired few years back, so hopefully this is a better version.

Good luck

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Old 12th Jul 2015, 15:05
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Dont expect to hear a thing from the recruitment department unless they need you. Like Norwegian, easyJet and the rest , they lack the decency of basic communication skills.

Ostensibly, the pilot employers can treat you as they wish because they know you have no other options or you certainly would not have gone through all the hassle of applying.
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 15:51
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Well, over 100 of their pilots have got other options so they may want to start embracing that "Take me There" thing!
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 15:52
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For those who only received the personality test had you applied and completed the online tests previously within the last 12 months. I think it means your scores are still valid.
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 16:36
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Well, over 100 of their pilots have got other options so they may want to start embracing that "Take me There" thing!
not sure what you mean? I have in on "good authority" from LFFH that only 17 pilots have left in the last year, all of which were young FOs bound for BA long haul and they also think that Jet2 is an employer of choice.


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Old 12th Jul 2015, 16:40
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Ah, but he's biased. He's happy to enjoy last minute roster changes at his current employer but bemoans roster stability at his last.

Any sense there?
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 17:57
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 19:30
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You can't be serious...

I have in on "good authority" from LFFH that only 17 pilots have left in the last year, all of which were young FOs bound for BA long haul and they also think that Jet2 is an employer of choice.
Yes - mainly FO's but also Captains. Only 17? More than 17 alone from MAN have left. They're going to BA, FR, the sand pit. And BA short haul as well as LH. Complete rubbish you have been given "on good authority"
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Old 12th Jul 2015, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Harry palmer View Post
For those who only received the personality test had you applied and completed the online tests previously within the last 12 months. I think it means your scores are still valid.
I last did the tests at the end of 2014. I've no idea if I passed them; like many others, I only received a PFO at the start of this year when it appeared Jet2 were about to be inundated with ex Monarch pilots.

My current application status says Under Review.

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Old 12th Jul 2015, 20:42
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Station_Calling what Artie Fufkin wrote is the nonsense management has been feeding the workforce since January. The actual figure is somewhere between 85 and 100 pilots. For the reasons why they have left us, have a look at all the negative comments in this topic.
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 11:52
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Certainly that rate isn't sustainable but it can only mean better things for those that stay.

BA or the desert lifestyles aren't as attractive as they used to be and commuting contracts in the Far East have far exceeded anything you'll get at Thiefrow or the Sandpit.

I have an 8 mile, 13 minute commute, I do two sectors a day, sometimes I work (but never fly) 6 days in a row but then I get at least 3 off and I do bugger all in the winter, which means I can go and spend a lot of time in another country's summer on full pay. The only time I get close to an FTL limit is when the French or Spanish get their knickers in a twist and go on strike (1 times use of discretion in 4 years). Compare that to BA where you will do 900 hours a year, normally three sector days (enjoy that 2 hour turnaround and visit to the crewroom between flights which makes your day even longer), normally night stop - in a different hotel each night as you do hotel tours around Europe - drive the M25 every other day or commute which used to cost me the better part of 500 quid a month at least. Yeah, yeah I know in 36 years time you'll be earning top scale but I'll be retired long before then and don't care anyway.

Lots of people here whine about management (I presume you think you can do better?) but who cares what they do. I get paid on time every month and have as little to do with management as possible, which is nothing. And no, I don't read Tailwind or the latest department communication.

I go to work, have a laugh, then go home.

Oh, and flying a 25 year old aeroplane is no different to flying a 2 week old one which I used to do regularly. They all break every now and again, it's your job to deal with it.
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