Jet2 Autumn 2014
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The problem is, there are simply much better deals out there now.
I've been here a decade and like everywhere, the company does some things brilliantly, some not so much. I've had more roster changes this year, than in the previous 9.
The Easyjet captain coming the other way is on about £1,300 per month net more than I, has staff travel, a pension worth £900 per month more, crew meals, newer aircraft and a better uniform policy. All from a company that's 4 times bigger, but makes 10 times the profit.
Virtually all those I know who have left, were northerners either going to Ryanair or BA, but were intending on staying in the north. This isn't so much of a southerners exodus as it once was.
If things don't change rapidly on the T&Cs front I think they will struggle next year, and do feel the management recognise this and will subsequently react. I just hope on so many levels they do it properly and promptly for so many reasons.
This is a good company to work for, but with some fairly obvious changes and some small tweaks could be a great company.
I've been here a decade and like everywhere, the company does some things brilliantly, some not so much. I've had more roster changes this year, than in the previous 9.
The Easyjet captain coming the other way is on about £1,300 per month net more than I, has staff travel, a pension worth £900 per month more, crew meals, newer aircraft and a better uniform policy. All from a company that's 4 times bigger, but makes 10 times the profit.
Virtually all those I know who have left, were northerners either going to Ryanair or BA, but were intending on staying in the north. This isn't so much of a southerners exodus as it once was.
If things don't change rapidly on the T&Cs front I think they will struggle next year, and do feel the management recognise this and will subsequently react. I just hope on so many levels they do it properly and promptly for so many reasons.
This is a good company to work for, but with some fairly obvious changes and some small tweaks could be a great company.
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This mob remind me of Orion, the hybrid charter tour operator come scheduled carrier from the 80's.
After a steady period of growth and modest success they reached critical mass. Wild fire rumours of bigger better aircraft, a couple of big airbus pitched up. Within two years they were taken over by Brittania.
After a steady period of growth and modest success they reached critical mass. Wild fire rumours of bigger better aircraft, a couple of big airbus pitched up. Within two years they were taken over by Brittania.
The JET2 "mob" are as successful as the foregoing companies, acccording to their published public company accounts. Furthermore JET2 did not lay off 100+ pilots in the last economic crisis, as did Thomson/Britannia.
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Jet2 Autumn 2014
As successful or not that jet2 are, if people don't want to work for you you're doing something very wrong. 15%+ attrition is not sustainable for any employee group, particularly one that has such long lead in times as pilots. As management well know people leaving now have wanted out for a very long time. Jet2 lost them last year or even earlier. No amount of tinkering will change the minds of anyone who has decided they want to out.
6 on 2 off and hitting every single limit of cap 371 as several of my friends who are still there (but are also waiting to hand in their notice) are doing will not help that situation.
People working in the cargo bases have always been slightly protected because the Royal Mail business was the holy sacred cash cow that could not be late or disrupted. Historically they have always been over crewed and generously rostered with a very light programme. With the reduction of the first class mail guarantee and a fully privatised business, how long do you think the mail will be willing to pay 10 times rail or road fare for a first class letter?
That's when the seasonality of the business and jet2's incapability of securing any significant winter business will really bite. Coupled with new expensive aircraft. Good luck chaps and chapesses.
6 on 2 off and hitting every single limit of cap 371 as several of my friends who are still there (but are also waiting to hand in their notice) are doing will not help that situation.
People working in the cargo bases have always been slightly protected because the Royal Mail business was the holy sacred cash cow that could not be late or disrupted. Historically they have always been over crewed and generously rostered with a very light programme. With the reduction of the first class mail guarantee and a fully privatised business, how long do you think the mail will be willing to pay 10 times rail or road fare for a first class letter?
That's when the seasonality of the business and jet2's incapability of securing any significant winter business will really bite. Coupled with new expensive aircraft. Good luck chaps and chapesses.
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As an upside to all of this and the possible potential for a company to evolve, if they "grow up" and remove the OAP at the top who clearly knows nothing else, for those that wish to stick out the bad times, it could all come very right for T&C's IF LFFH changes its tack!?!
Just a thought!
Just a thought!
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The 'only one' gorter? You now saying LS pilots are operating to max FDP on each duty with min rest between and are hitting the 14 day, 28 day and 12 month duty hour limits as well? Or do you mean they are knocking on the door of 100 block hours in 28 days? Pretty sure there will be TOM, TCX, MON pilots who will be on similar hours (there certainly was when I was there in the 'good' old days).
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Horizon Travel, Holiday Tour Operator, created Orion, their in-house airline. Both traded very successfully and were eventually sold to the Thomson Travel Group, who own their own in-house airline, Britannia, all of which is now owned by TUI.
Crews worked hard, played hard, none of this us and them bollixs, never heard the F word once. None of the it's all about me moaning Nigels (sorry Giggler) O I've had my roster changed 3 times in the last hour (the curse perhaps of e-crew access to rosters, in the old days the rosters changed just as much just the crews never knew it!!)
Somebody transport me back there please. Now days its all too much like hard work...
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From: England
So you did understand? Or you didn't, like you first suggested?
Actually you are wrong. But I couldn't give a 
either way.
Wrong again. Not a good record so far. You really know absolutely nothing about me, what I know or what I think.
Cover what? Your difficulty in understanding a sentence or simple mathematics? Not really.
I understand that you are in the lowest paid medium to large sized jet carrier in the UK, with the worst working conditions and lowest grade of management by fear.
either way.
I also get the picture that you're a patronising, pole climbing management wannabe, who quite frankly knows absolutely no better, because you joined from an even worse airline.
Does that cover it?
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From: England
No, another long day sailing and barbecuing actually, which is rather relaxing. And like I said you know nothing about me.
It's still not clear whether you understood simple maths or not...
As a Jet2 reject I wonder why you're so involved in this thread?
It's still not clear whether you understood simple maths or not...
As a Jet2 reject I wonder why you're so involved in this thread?
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From: UK
It's all positive news my little Prickly friend!
Think of all those good folk bettering their careers and employment packages by quite a margin, their job satisfaction and long-term choices. Think of all those guys that have been stuck on turbo-props for years that now have an opportunity to get onto a jet, and then ultimately move on themselves in a few years to that career airline...think of all those Pilot Apprentices that will be moving onto type-rating courses within/less than 12 months...
It's all fantastic industry stuff my little angry sailor! The fact you don't get it?! - Reverend Meeson Cool-Aid drinker!
Have a great day my little patronising, argumentative cabin boy!
Think of all those good folk bettering their careers and employment packages by quite a margin, their job satisfaction and long-term choices. Think of all those guys that have been stuck on turbo-props for years that now have an opportunity to get onto a jet, and then ultimately move on themselves in a few years to that career airline...think of all those Pilot Apprentices that will be moving onto type-rating courses within/less than 12 months...
It's all fantastic industry stuff my little angry sailor! The fact you don't get it?! - Reverend Meeson Cool-Aid drinker!
Have a great day my little patronising, argumentative cabin boy!
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From: England
You've answered the wrong question. I didn't ask why it was good for the industry, which is readily apparent, but why you find them so personally satisfying. I don't see you posting about every resignation at other airlines.
Surely you should be enjoying your commute and time at Cranebank by now instead of teasing your Jet2 hard on everyday, you sad man.
Surely you should be enjoying your commute and time at Cranebank by now instead of teasing your Jet2 hard on everyday, you sad man.
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Sean, congratulations, I hope your career move works out for you and the future brings all that you wish for. Can I ask you now please as a former colleague to leave those of us who are enjoying our career at Jet2 and also have hopes and dreams to let it go? You may have a dislike for your former employer but your posts are hurtful and unnecessary to your former colleagues. Thanks
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This thread seems to have far less traffic from potential applicants than the last two years of recruiting. I wonder if that is due to a decrease in interest in the positions or people from the last two years who had a similarly difficult application process just can't be bothered applying? I certainly had to mentally prepare myself for another few months of misinformation and poor communication. Having previously been through a sim assessment and placed in the pool only to be eventually forgotten. I hope this year is a little different.
