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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Old 13th Jul 2015, 10:52
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Certainly that rate isn't sustainable but it can only mean better things for those that stay.

BA or the desert lifestyles aren't as attractive as they used to be and commuting contracts in the Far East have far exceeded anything you'll get at Thiefrow or the Sandpit.

I have an 8 mile, 13 minute commute, I do two sectors a day, sometimes I work (but never fly) 6 days in a row but then I get at least 3 off and I do bugger all in the winter, which means I can go and spend a lot of time in another country's summer on full pay. The only time I get close to an FTL limit is when the French or Spanish get their knickers in a twist and go on strike (1 times use of discretion in 4 years). Compare that to BA where you will do 900 hours a year, normally three sector days (enjoy that 2 hour turnaround and visit to the crewroom between flights which makes your day even longer), normally night stop - in a different hotel each night as you do hotel tours around Europe - drive the M25 every other day or commute which used to cost me the better part of 500 quid a month at least. Yeah, yeah I know in 36 years time you'll be earning top scale but I'll be retired long before then and don't care anyway.

Lots of people here whine about management (I presume you think you can do better?) but who cares what they do. I get paid on time every month and have as little to do with management as possible, which is nothing. And no, I don't read Tailwind or the latest department communication.

I go to work, have a laugh, then go home.

Oh, and flying a 25 year old aeroplane is no different to flying a 2 week old one which I used to do regularly. They all break every now and again, it's your job to deal with it.
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 12:09
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.....I do two sectors a day, sometimes I work (but never fly) 6 days in a row but then I get at least 3 off and I do bugger all in the winter, which means I can go and spend a lot of time in another country's summer on full pay.
That sounds like my world 15 years ago - winter off, work hard in the Summer. In today's cut throat, cost efficient world do you think this is sustainable long term? Presumably the aircraft are paid for so that gives some cost saving. However, it looks like an accountants dream scenario to take the knife to it.
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 14:02
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Who knows?

But when I eventually end up working as hard as everyone else is now I think I'll be grateful for the slack years I'm having at the moment.
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Old 13th Jul 2015, 18:17
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Nothing new under the sun. What's wrong with F/O's moving on. Good luck to them. I know a Captain who joined Jet 2 and almost immediately asked to return to his previous employer (unlucky). Grass is green. Things may / may not get better and winter is only 3 and a half rosters away.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 00:56
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Jet2 Autumn 2014

......winter is coming ..........


Right off to Jet Blast
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 20:58
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Problem creating Login on Jet2.com careers page

Hi everybody!

I seem to have a problem creating a login profile on the Jet2.com careers page.

I get the following msg:
'Your log in credentials cannot be validated. You may have created an account in the past, if so please click the 'forgot your password' link on the Welcome page to reset your password.'

I can't recall having ever created an account in the past (I only got drunk once in my life having holes in my memory, but that was years ago in college ).

Did anybody have the same problem?

Also, can anybody confirm the latest T&C.

You can PM me.

Thank you for the reply

Cheers
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 21:27
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Been invited to an assessment on Aug 5th if anyone fancies meeting up the night before in LBA? PM me if you like. Experienced FO, non rated and non jet... 2300TT and applied on the day it opened, did the tests the following morning.

Also is the pay scale on PPJN correct? Could one assume that you would go in directly on the FO pay scale of circa 50k and not the SO pay scale? Because 50% of the SO scale during the first couple of months would be rough.

Any current Jet2ers who could clarify would be appreciated.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 21:46
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Also is the pay scale on PPJN correct? Could one assume that you would go in directly on the FO pay scale of circa 50k and not the SO pay scale? Because 50% of the SO scale during the first couple of months would be rough.
Not sure on the PPJN scales that 50kish is SFO not FO I think? SO is just for pilot apprentices so with your experience you could expect FO which is 40k something but maybe a current Jet 2 FO could correct me on that?

Expect 50% until end of line training, if non TR that will be 3-6 months depending on time of year. I think they changed things last year where if you go beyond 13 weeks and it is their fault they will increase the wage anyway.

Post 50% it is pot luck on contracts, you may go 100% straight away or 70% for some time. Most people I know recently were 70% for 12-15 months so you should prepare for that in your budget if you are successful.
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Old 14th Jul 2015, 22:45
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How long are people waiting from application to reply either way?
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Old 15th Jul 2015, 07:52
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Cheers for the reply, I guessed the 50K was too good to be true! Is it 50% of 100% or 50% of 70% if that makes sense? And once on the line with flight pay (if such a thing exists) what could an FO expect to take home on 70%?

Three colleagues who sat in the pool from the previous round of recruitment just got offered 100% in their base of choice. I will worry about the contract stuff if/when I get an offer but the apprentice i spoke to on the phone was very relaxed and straight forward so hopefully the assessment is the same. I waited 2 weeks for the call.
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Old 15th Jul 2015, 08:01
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SO is the Pilot Apprentices, not sure why the salary is but it's painful.

FO is just over 50k

SFO is around 56k.

Expect half pay until passing your final line check. I joined already type rated, requiring the minimum of an OCC,LPC and 10 sectors....which took 2 1/2 months!

That being said, we did receive a partial refund from the company due to the longer than expected training period. This effectively bought the time on half pay down to 7-8 weeks.

From what I've seen, your experience of Jet2 will largely depend on your base. In my experience at my base the people are great and I look forward to going to work while being far enough removed from management at LBA to remain anonymous. Which is the best way to be at Jet2!

As for the company itself, there's enough on this thread for you to make up your own mind so I'll leave that subject alone. Just go in with your eyes wide open!

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Old 15th Jul 2015, 08:29
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Great, thanks for that, I think I could handle the pay cut for that period of time with the long term gain in mind. It is the same with any airline, as it is with life, there will always be those who are not happy... but Jet2 would suit me so hopefully it all goes well
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Old 15th Jul 2015, 19:17
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FO is just over 50k

SFO is around 56k.
Sorry I stand corrected.

It's 50% of 100% and sector+duty pay on top during line training (I think correct me again!).

As I say it's random on base/contract, I know 2 from my old company that got 100% 1st base choice and several others got 70% and no base choice at all!! Seems like the 100% and base choice always comes through in the end except for EMA which seems to be the most popular choice and as such can take a long while.

As for 70% FO take home no idea but 70% skipper was about 4200ish mid summer and about 3200ish mid winter and you will be on a few K less than that as 100% FO and less sector pay so should give you a rough idea.

I guess it depends on where you have worked before for perspective. My story is fairly typical, as I would take being home every night in the UK and living in the north any day of the week over bigger money/shinier planes or living down south or abroad. Add to that a good mix of interesting destinations, full flights, a company that makes profit (novelty to me) and what I think is good money (see previous companies!). So personally think it's great but can see why some people don't like it and why some are looking to move on.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 02:33
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I bet if they only paid expenses for the first year, and 50% for 2 more years, you guys would lap it up. Its better than being unemployed you would shout.

Who's married with kids at independant school, taking home around 4000 ave/ month? Ah thought so.

Shiney big jets on big salary has its attractions .
Living in Leeds with November " off" hmmm
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 08:07
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No actually i think it is The Crew and scratching the sky who miss the point, if Jet2 offer me 70% without the need to move base it would be a 5k pay rise, 100% would be a 15k pay rise. So why wouldn't i accept?! Do you know why office staff get full time contracts? Because its a shit job that no one wants to do. Pilots get bent over the desk because we are an inherently selfish group who have allowed our own T's and C's to spiral, we only have ourselves to blame. If we had half the self respect of the tube drivers we might stand half a chance, but last time i checked you couldn't buy yourself into the front seat of a tube at 18yrs old with no experience. Also no one forced you to pay 'upwards of 100,000 pounds' for your licence, I paid less than half that for mine and have worked for 4 different companies so far, never has the interviewer commented on what school I went to.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 08:31
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Could be worse

Just to add my thoughts. Whilst it would be great to get full pay throughout training, I did four months months without any pay with my current lot whilst doing the TR, and in month five earned about 400 for a couple of office days we did.

Just think that's four months I did with zero pay whatsoever. I had to pay for my own accommodation and had to sell my car (a six year old Korean hatchback, nothing fancy) just to make ends meet. So it certainly isn't a Jet2 issue alone. It could be better but it could be a lot worse.

70% would suit me fine if I can get my local base. I currently spend 600-700 on commutting and accommodation per month, not to mention the nonexistent lifestyle. It may be a pay cut (I'm currently 75%) but I imagine I would be better off financially, and you cannot put a price on the quality of life it would bring.

Good luck to all those who are applying.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 08:59
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I totally agree, its about time we have a bit of leverage behind us, my current crowd don't seem to understand that if every one of their pilots goes to BA or Jet2 this year that the airplanes won't fly themselves!
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 09:02
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I should remind you that there will always be applicants for such a job. To not apply, would be to help others in their job hunt and is a sure fire route to the poor house.
Changed your mind?
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 11:17
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Two or three years ago they offered me the B757, 70% contract, pay my own type rating, and don't get any pay until I start online. Suffice to say I politely turned them down.
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Old 16th Jul 2015, 11:19
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I suspect most people would rather have a job with the expectation of Ts and Cs improving, as they must, than wait to have a job with improved Ts and Cs.
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