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Old 29th Oct 2014, 22:19
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I was just surprised that a normal looking bucket with all the appropriate qualifications to catch and contain waste had passed the selection to be there!

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Old 29th Oct 2014, 22:24
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maybe the bucket was integrated into the toilet and not a modular unit.
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 23:50
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What! It is not Carbon fibre with Titanium trimmings........???
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Old 29th Oct 2014, 23:54
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On schedule

The link provided to the new sim building project by ISG shows a completion date of 'Spring 2014'. Is that a typo and should the correct date be 2041?

As shown by the bucket things never move quickly in BA.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 01:46
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I read on PPJN that DEFO will start on - 52000 plus allowances ? Really ?
Thats a take home of 3100 per month plus some allowances. Take Home.
Unbelevable . Its horrible and is less than 20 years ago lol

I was misguided and was under the impression that a long haul FO would be on upwards 80k plus gross ?

Oh well, I can be happy to stay put & not to waste my time applying with salaries like that. For rich kid's kids only.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 17:28
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Words fail me...
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 19:56
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and you believed the stories of 80k plus starting salary, one out then four days off before flying home. Do that three times a month and we will have your car valet done for your return. Next you will be asking for the cheese board.

Reality check....yes 52k after allowances 63-64k. 18-21 days a month flying. Mainly 3 sector days, some four as well and at heathrow that's asking.

If you expect more money may I suggest you join as a CSD on world wide
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 22:07
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Umm it's ba the most junior of said group gets to remove the bucket of piss.
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Old 30th Oct 2014, 22:17
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Hi all,

Quick question. I would hate to let this rare NTR opportunity pass me by, given that the last time BA opened up for non Airbus/Boeing guys and girls was years and years ago. Now I appreciate I'm at the bottom of the pile when it comes to 'preferred' criteria, I have approx 430hrs on jets. By the end of next month I expect to have near enough 500hrs thus fulfilling the minimum requirements, is it worth/reasonable applying now? If the 500hrs was arbitrarily plucked out of the air then I would understand that they are the requirements they have laid down and that's that. However, BA have made it clear that the 500hrs is there to satisfy the zero hours flight time training requirement, so if I was jammy enough to be offered a job with them, by the time I would start my training there would be no issues as I'm sure after swimming in the hold pool for a while I'd be well on my way to 1000+hrs. Only aspect that makes me uncomfortable is in the preliminary questions it asks if you have the 500hrs and at this moment in time I don't and they make the point of answering honestly blah blah...sorry that wasn't really a quick question as originally stated, but a penny for your thoughts good people? Thanks.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 01:03
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Only aspect that makes me uncomfortable is in the preliminary questions it asks if you have the 500hrs and at this moment in time I don't and they make the point of answering honestly blah blah.
I think you have answered your own question, however for the sake of 4wks I would definitely suggest waiting. Have the questions drafted and hit the submit button as soon as you surpass the 500hrs. For reference BA will take your logbook on any selection day.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 02:30
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Bex, oh yes it was like this before, well not quite that cushy , but a reasonable lifestyle.

So a take home pay of say 3500 for a long haul 777 FO. BA was the epitomy of British aviation. A place where all would aspire to work, rest n play. If you didnt get in,and were capable you could join a second tier airline such as Caledonian, Britannia . Failing this , then go east young man, and work for CX$$$

BA is a facade. Fly to serve. But it all boils down to lifestlye. No money no honey. The average British home price is 272000. On a takehome of 3100 and to save a deposit of 20% and come up with the 2000 a month to service the mortgage a month will leave you broke. There fore its rental only.Or a park home with granny.

If the asipring BA pilot, the best of the best ( after selection) cannot buy an average joe bloggs terrace, then whats it all come to?

And still there must be 100s clambering over each other desperate to sign up.
27 years layer, you make the top FO scale, taking home 6k a month. what a load of crok.

The only people they really want are those who have property, no mortgage, and a ton of cash in the bank. but then i aint working for40k a year . Good luck though Bex88, you reap what you sow. .
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 07:19
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I guess highfive and those that are like minded won't be joining BA, I bet BA are shaking in their boots as to the prospect of an imminent recruitment crisis and will upping the salary scales immediately.

It's all a choice no-one is being forced to work for BA.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 07:50
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Sky Rocket, applications close in under a fortnight so if I waited I'll miss the boat! Any idea typically how long it takes to process applications and invite you to a selection day?
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 07:55
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highfive

The average British home price is 272000. On a takehome of 3100 and to save a deposit of 20% and come up with the 2000 a month to service the mortgage a month will leave you broke.


When I joined BA quite a few years back joined the Senior chaps tended to live in "nice" houses within 10 -20 miles of LHR (e.g. Henley, Windsor). In the last few months I've flown with more then one co-pilot s who has expressed doubts they'll ever be able to buy anything larger than a rabbit hutch anywhere desirable within one or two hours drive of London. Whilst that probably says as much about the bizarre state of the south east UK housing market than it does about UK pilot's T&C's it's still a fact that does need to be considered by anyone thinking they can easily move house and home from the regions or abroad to be within easy reach of LHR.

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Old 31st Oct 2014, 10:45
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Just to bring the house price versus income argument into perspective, I was looking at 4/5 bed terrace houses in Kew Gardens the other month.

Asking price for a terrace house ....... 1.25m to 1.5m.

I would suggest that any PAYE employee on a company starting income would 'struggle' to keep up with housing prices in the South East unless they are already on the ladder.

If you don't want to work in the SE then apply elsewhere. As always it's your choice.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:06
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BA is a facade. Fly to serve. But it all boils down to lifestlye. No money no honey. The average British home price is 272000. On a takehome of 3100 and to save a deposit of 20% and come up with the 2000 a month to service the mortgage a month will leave you broke. There fore its rental only.Or a park home with granny.
highfive, no wonder you turn your nose up at 52k starting. You need to go and see a decent mortgage broker, you are being well and truly taken advantage of. A 90% mortgage on an average house (272,000) will have monthly repayments of around 1200 - 1300. Yes, saving for a deposit is difficult, but that is true of any profession in todays world in the south east of England. If you don't like that, go into politics, become an MP and change it.

BA isn't everyones cup of tea; no one on here has any problems with that. I work for BA and Im not the company biggest fan. Some of the negativity however, over that last few pages astounds me. BA are taking on low hour pilots and paying them 52k basic; have you seen whats happened in Monarch recently?

Get in the real world. The "old" world died along time ago.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:28
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52k needs to be put into perspective:

84% of the population of England earn less than 50k
In London, the average income is 27,868
Income in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's about the same pay as a Dentist (7 years of Uni plus 2 years of internship, and the average for ALL dentists, not just those with NO experience, is 53k)
UK average salary is 26,500 but figures reveal huge pay gap between rich and poor - official earnings list - Mirror Online
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:50
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I was hoping for some advice from chaps already in BA, as I'm really in two minds on applying. I have zero interest in long haul, so what are the prospects for a long term career on BA short haul? How many block/duty hours in a typical month, how many nights away, how many days off per month, or anything else that might be pertinent? Also looking for more detail on winter leave available (my other business interests get too busy in Winter to continue flying full-time). I know there's a lot of info posted here, but it would be great if someone could sum it up.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:51
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Of course you don't have to live in Windsor or Kew. There are many areas North and east of LHR where you can get a decent 3 bed semi for 120K or a 4 bed detached for 200K and have a commute of only 70 mins or less.

The call out time on Stby is 120 mins so that gives quite a large radius in which to find somewhere suitable. With the recruitment rate at the moment you won't be on the bottom of the 320 list for long so will be able to bid for tours. This will reduce commutes to 5-6 a month.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 12:51
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Sky Rocket, applications close in under a fortnight so if I waited I'll miss the boat! Any idea typically how long it takes to process applications and invite you to a selection day?
I would allow anything from 1 to 2 weeks and sometimes more after submission, as previously posted in this thread.
Your circumstances are manageable and I would rather that half full glass
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