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Old 31st Oct 2014, 07:55
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The average British home price is 272000. On a takehome of 3100 and to save a deposit of 20% and come up with the 2000 a month to service the mortgage a month will leave you broke.


When I joined BA quite a few years back joined the Senior chaps tended to live in "nice" houses within 10 -20 miles of LHR (e.g. Henley, Windsor). In the last few months I've flown with more then one co-pilot s who has expressed doubts they'll ever be able to buy anything larger than a rabbit hutch anywhere desirable within one or two hours drive of London. Whilst that probably says as much about the bizarre state of the south east UK housing market than it does about UK pilot's T&C's it's still a fact that does need to be considered by anyone thinking they can easily move house and home from the regions or abroad to be within easy reach of LHR.

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Old 31st Oct 2014, 10:45
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Just to bring the house price versus income argument into perspective, I was looking at 4/5 bed terrace houses in Kew Gardens the other month.

Asking price for a terrace house ....... 1.25m to 1.5m.

I would suggest that any PAYE employee on a company starting income would 'struggle' to keep up with housing prices in the South East unless they are already on the ladder.

If you don't want to work in the SE then apply elsewhere. As always it's your choice.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:06
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BA is a facade. Fly to serve. But it all boils down to lifestlye. No money no honey. The average British home price is 272000. On a takehome of 3100 and to save a deposit of 20% and come up with the 2000 a month to service the mortgage a month will leave you broke. There fore its rental only.Or a park home with granny.
highfive, no wonder you turn your nose up at 52k starting. You need to go and see a decent mortgage broker, you are being well and truly taken advantage of. A 90% mortgage on an average house (272,000) will have monthly repayments of around 1200 - 1300. Yes, saving for a deposit is difficult, but that is true of any profession in todays world in the south east of England. If you don't like that, go into politics, become an MP and change it.

BA isn't everyones cup of tea; no one on here has any problems with that. I work for BA and Im not the company biggest fan. Some of the negativity however, over that last few pages astounds me. BA are taking on low hour pilots and paying them 52k basic; have you seen whats happened in Monarch recently?

Get in the real world. The "old" world died along time ago.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:28
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52k needs to be put into perspective:

84% of the population of England earn less than 50k
In London, the average income is 27,868
Income in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's about the same pay as a Dentist (7 years of Uni plus 2 years of internship, and the average for ALL dentists, not just those with NO experience, is 53k)
UK average salary is 26,500 but figures reveal huge pay gap between rich and poor - official earnings list - Mirror Online
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:50
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I was hoping for some advice from chaps already in BA, as I'm really in two minds on applying. I have zero interest in long haul, so what are the prospects for a long term career on BA short haul? How many block/duty hours in a typical month, how many nights away, how many days off per month, or anything else that might be pertinent? Also looking for more detail on winter leave available (my other business interests get too busy in Winter to continue flying full-time). I know there's a lot of info posted here, but it would be great if someone could sum it up.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 11:51
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Of course you don't have to live in Windsor or Kew. There are many areas North and east of LHR where you can get a decent 3 bed semi for 120K or a 4 bed detached for 200K and have a commute of only 70 mins or less.

The call out time on Stby is 120 mins so that gives quite a large radius in which to find somewhere suitable. With the recruitment rate at the moment you won't be on the bottom of the 320 list for long so will be able to bid for tours. This will reduce commutes to 5-6 a month.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 12:51
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Sky Rocket, applications close in under a fortnight so if I waited I'll miss the boat! Any idea typically how long it takes to process applications and invite you to a selection day?
I would allow anything from 1 to 2 weeks and sometimes more after submission, as previously posted in this thread.
Your circumstances are manageable and I would rather that half full glass
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 13:22
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There is a lot of fixating on the lowest pay point which I don't really understand.

In my opinion looking solely from a monetary point of view, attaining a quick command and potential LTC position in Easyjet etc is going to be lucrative in the short term. My own quick ballpark maths, which may be incorrect, gives me an age of 31 as the point where it is not worth joining BA, from a monetary point of view.

If I were lucky enough to join BA I would certainly lose a considerable amount of cash over the next 10 years, but I should in time catch up. There are plenty of young pilots that don't want to endure the pain for the longer term gain because they do not wish to sacrifice their current cash-flow and lifestyle, a perfectly valid outlook. Each to their own. For me, the decision to apply to BA rests with lifestyle and longterm gain.

Comparing apples with apples I believe KLM and Aer Lingus offer a similar starting salary to BA? I have friends who joined SAS recently who describe living on their pay point one as "challenging". The decision to join these career airlines is not about starting salary, for me at least.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 13:33
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Thumbs up BA Direct Entry Non Rated

I for one would love a crack at the selection, I have applied and would very much like to work for them.

Good luck to all applying.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 13:42
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Good stuff and good luck Harry.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 14:35
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Out of curiosity, anyone here previously hold-pooled and emailed the recruitment team directly, as advertised, had a response yet?
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 18:51
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Does anyone know why last month the minimum hours were dropped to 200 and now they are back to 500?
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Old 1st Nov 2014, 19:35
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 09:27
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How likely is for an expat (albeit with ELP 6) to get a job with BA?
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Old 3rd Nov 2014, 09:30
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As long as you have the right to live and work in the EU, you can work for BA.
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Old 4th Nov 2014, 09:40
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Angry Think very carefully!

In a behind closed doors deal which we were informed of lastnight, BALPA and BA have torn up Bidline for Shorthaul.

You will be working to EASA limits from Jan 1st.

In a comprehensive betrayal of its members, the Union has looked after its mates in longhaul, and thrown the rest of us to the dogs.
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Old 4th Nov 2014, 10:15
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Pardon my ignorance, but what protections does Bidline provide to crew, over EASA FTLs?
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Old 4th Nov 2014, 10:25
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It always was the BA Longhaul Pilots Association.
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Old 4th Nov 2014, 10:28
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....Just come over from this AM's debate on the BA Balpa Forum by any chance?


In a behind closed doors deal which we were informed of lastnight, BALPA and BA have torn up Bidline for Shorthaul.

You will be working to EASA limits from Jan 1st.
For completeness this what the BALPA newsletter I got actually said on that subject:

Shorthaul FDP tables are to be replaced with the FDP limits from EASA FTLs (EASA FTLs will not be introduced by BA until 1st March 2016 and until then, the current Scheme limits will continue to apply).
FWIW yes, I feel the deal is pants, most especially given the lack of movement in efficiencies from other areas of the workforce....and yes, I know "we" (as in Long Haul) "will be next".

As an aside beyond the heated rhetoric I really feel the BACC has a serious communications problem......personalities and their position in the scheme of things on the line is definitely getting in the way of any chance of a reasoned debate.
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Old 4th Nov 2014, 10:42
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Wiggy I agree, until the current chairman changes, and a less confrontational, my way or the highway character takes over, the BACC will have a problem with it's comms.

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