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Old 6th Oct 2014, 17:04
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Is there a chance that anyone who is towards the bottom of the seniority list on the 747 could share a couple of rosters?

Much appreciated, just want to see what I am getting myself in for!
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 18:13
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I eventually managed to get the thing to work on a Macbook, you have to scroll down with the arrow keys to see the rest of the page as it didn't load fully straight off, that was using Firefox. Had the acknowledgment so at least it got there.

Best of luck to all. A bit of luck for myself would be quite welcome as well.

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 20:24
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Billiybuds,

Two typical rosters from the bottom of the 747 are like this:

1/2 off, 3-7 s Africa, 8 off, 9-11 E USA, 12-16 off, 17-19 E USA, 20/21 off, 22-24 mid east, 25-27 W USA, 28-30 off.

1/2 carry in trip, 3/4 off, 5-7 E USA, 8-10 off, 11-13 Africa, 14/15 off, 16-18 mid east, 19/20 off, 21-23 E Canada, 24/25 off, 26-28 Africa, 29/30 off.

The most junior FO on the fleet will be about 500 places above you on the seniority list. So you will be at the bottom for a log while.

Hope this is of use

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 23:04
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Five trips. Sixteen days off at home. (In a 30 day month!) Eight days off downroute, and at least one three crew trip.

That's 'junior'?

Sweet.

Where do I apply??
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 23:10
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Looking at my roster this month I couldn't agree more! That looks fantastic.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 23:13
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How about:

1-3 Off, 4-8 Caribbean, 9-16 off, 17-19 E USA, 20-22 E USA (Back2back), 23-27 off, 28-31 Caribbean.

:-D

777 fleet. ;-)
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 23:59
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How about 6 days hoping around Europe. 1 day off and then three more days hoping around?

Jealous aren't you?
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 02:03
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Race to the bottom anyone?!
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 06:36
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That looks fantastic.
That's 'junior'?
If you guys are longhaulers and think those are good/easy/fantastic rosters you genuinely have my sympathy, please let us know who you work for so we can put them on our "avoid" list...

For those who haven't experienced the joys of Long Haul: yes, the rosters look good on paper, but to badly paraphrase somebody: "before you judge a pilot's roster, work it for a month"

In the case of those binsleepin has kindly provided it's worth considering that hidden away beneath the surface are a fair few time zone changes (which may or may not be trivial), not much in the way of augmented crew, but above all a lot of nights out of bed tied in with 24 hour layovers, which produces multiple swings back and forth between day "shifts" and night "shifts" over the course of the month.......

IMHO those lines look like they are extremely tiring/fatiguing - a run of them certainly would be, that's why they're junior lines.

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 09:33
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That looks fantastic.
Just remember you will likely be at the bottom of any long haul list for around 7yrs+. In that time, aside leave, you will have little to likely no control over days off (working every Xmas!), leave allocation or destinations. As a junior pilot in reserve band 1 you will also do more standby than the majority of the fleet for the first 5yrs. These things may seem trivial now, but give it a few years and see if you feel the same.

Not to put a damper on things but also consider that a number of pilots in the past have been allocated long haul fleets, turned up on day one, and subsequently been allocated short haul. You are joining a company, not a fleet. Be prepared!

Finally, it has been confirmed that any long haul recruitment will be onto the 747 with perhaps a small number going on the 787. There will be no DEP on the 777 due sufficient internal bidders.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 09:57
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(working every Xmas!)
Have things changed? There used to be a point system for working over Christmas that avoided this.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 10:03
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There used to be a point system for working over Christmas that avoided this.
There is a points system, but most guys have half a dozen already and all the LH DEP's will start at 0. They will also start with 0 leave points, which are built up over a rolling 5yr window. Added to this is the fact that there will probably be very little future external recruitment to the fleet so the majority of new pilots to the fleet will be senior internal bidders who have likely already built a bank of points from short haul.

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 11:15
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Wiggy,

It's all about choice. The wife wanted the first Caribbean, I wanted the second one and the back to back is my choice so I have certain days of the month off. All told, for my personal circumstances, the month works out very well.

Personally I don't find East Coast particularly demanding. But then that's what it's all about, differing personal preferences and the ability (after time) to fulfill them.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 12:44
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At the risk of repeating a question already answered, what is the likelihood of 737 being added to that list of acceptable types?
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 12:48
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TBH there's a hardcore of senior pilots (self included) who for reasons various bid for Christmas "out"......and in theory very little Xmas work should drop through to the junior Blindlines, though who knows what will happen this year under the new rule set.

My personal nightmare (as someone who doesn't live near LHR), is having Xmas off but having an early report on Boxing Day - hence my inclination to bid "out"!


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Personally I don't find East Coast particularly demanding. But then that's what it's all about, differing personal preferences and the ability (after time) to fulfill them.
Well some East coast destinations/trips maybe and as for back to backs but anyhow just to emphasise that I wasn't making a point/having a pop about your particular roster.

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 13:08
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binsleepin - Thanks a lot for that, much appreciated. Above what sector length do you get an augmented crew?
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 13:18
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The 737 has a very limited life left in BA and there will be no new recruits on to it. BA therefore has no need to 737 type ratings. they will take the 737 as an acceptable rating when the supply of people rated on relevant types dries up. It is all about cost these days, BA will no longer pay for a rating they don't have to.p
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 13:22
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Above what sector length do you get an augmented crew?
billyb...if I may, since I'm "here"

There's no absolute answer since it depends on the likes of report time and previous rest as well as sector length.

As an example LHR/ORD/LHR is one of the longer non-augmented trips, whereas LHR/MIA/LHR is on the cusp and if scheduled as a 24 hour nightstop you'll be augmented, but if it is scheduled for a 48 hour slip then you are basic crew.

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 17:21
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Wiggy

TBH there's a hardcore of senior pilots (self included) who for reasons various bid for Christmas "out"......and in theory very little Xmas work should drop through to the junior Blindlines, though who knows what will happen this year under the new rule set.
Shouldn't that be NO work should drop through. When I left, all Xmas work was covered by (some Xmas Out Reserve lines) then by the Xmas Out Trip Lines. No Xmas Out work was on a Blind Line.

Has that changed?
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 17:59
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Anyone heard anything yet re DEP 744? I see it's been extended to Oct 20th.
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