BA Direct Entry Pilot.
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I eventually managed to get the thing to work on a Macbook, you have to scroll down with the arrow keys to see the rest of the page as it didn't load fully straight off, that was using Firefox. Had the acknowledgment so at least it got there.
Best of luck to all. A bit of luck for myself would be quite welcome as well.
Best of luck to all. A bit of luck for myself would be quite welcome as well.
Last edited by zeddb; 6th October 2014 at 17:49. Reason: shpeling
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From: England
Billiybuds,
Two typical rosters from the bottom of the 747 are like this:
1/2 off, 3-7 s Africa, 8 off, 9-11 E USA, 12-16 off, 17-19 E USA, 20/21 off, 22-24 mid east, 25-27 W USA, 28-30 off.
1/2 carry in trip, 3/4 off, 5-7 E USA, 8-10 off, 11-13 Africa, 14/15 off, 16-18 mid east, 19/20 off, 21-23 E Canada, 24/25 off, 26-28 Africa, 29/30 off.
The most junior FO on the fleet will be about 500 places above you on the seniority list. So you will be at the bottom for a log while.
Hope this is of use
Regards
Two typical rosters from the bottom of the 747 are like this:
1/2 off, 3-7 s Africa, 8 off, 9-11 E USA, 12-16 off, 17-19 E USA, 20/21 off, 22-24 mid east, 25-27 W USA, 28-30 off.
1/2 carry in trip, 3/4 off, 5-7 E USA, 8-10 off, 11-13 Africa, 14/15 off, 16-18 mid east, 19/20 off, 21-23 E Canada, 24/25 off, 26-28 Africa, 29/30 off.
The most junior FO on the fleet will be about 500 places above you on the seniority list. So you will be at the bottom for a log while.
Hope this is of use
Regards
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From: The Winchester
That looks fantastic.
That's 'junior'?
you genuinely have my sympathy, please let us know who you work for so we can put them on our "avoid" list...For those who haven't experienced the joys of Long Haul: yes, the rosters look good on paper, but to badly paraphrase somebody: "before you judge a pilot's roster, work it for a month"
In the case of those binsleepin has kindly provided it's worth considering that hidden away beneath the surface are a fair few time zone changes (which may or may not be trivial), not much in the way of augmented crew, but above all a lot of nights out of bed tied in with 24 hour layovers, which produces multiple swings back and forth between day "shifts" and night "shifts" over the course of the month.......
IMHO those lines look like they are extremely tiring/fatiguing - a run of them certainly would be, that's why they're junior lines.
Last edited by wiggy; 7th October 2014 at 06:37.
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From: London, UK
That looks fantastic.
Not to put a damper on things but also consider that a number of pilots in the past have been allocated long haul fleets, turned up on day one, and subsequently been allocated short haul. You are joining a company, not a fleet. Be prepared!
Finally, it has been confirmed that any long haul recruitment will be onto the 747 with perhaps a small number going on the 787. There will be no DEP on the 777 due sufficient internal bidders.
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From: London, UK
There used to be a point system for working over Christmas that avoided this.
Last edited by SkyRocket10; 7th October 2014 at 09:14.
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Wiggy,
It's all about choice. The wife wanted the first Caribbean, I wanted the second one and the back to back is my choice so I have certain days of the month off. All told, for my personal circumstances, the month works out very well.
Personally I don't find East Coast particularly demanding. But then that's what it's all about, differing personal preferences and the ability (after time) to fulfill them.
It's all about choice. The wife wanted the first Caribbean, I wanted the second one and the back to back is my choice so I have certain days of the month off. All told, for my personal circumstances, the month works out very well.
Personally I don't find East Coast particularly demanding. But then that's what it's all about, differing personal preferences and the ability (after time) to fulfill them.
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From: The Winchester
TBH there's a hardcore of senior pilots (self included) who for reasons various bid for Christmas "out"......and in theory very little Xmas work should drop through to the junior Blindlines, though who knows what will happen this year under the new rule set.
My personal nightmare (as someone who doesn't live near LHR), is having Xmas off but having an early report on Boxing Day - hence my inclination to bid "out"!
W (belatedly)
Well some East coast destinations/trips maybe 
and as for back to backs 
but anyhow just to emphasise that I wasn't making a point/having a pop about your particular roster.
My personal nightmare (as someone who doesn't live near LHR), is having Xmas off but having an early report on Boxing Day - hence my inclination to bid "out"!
W (belatedly)
Personally I don't find East Coast particularly demanding. But then that's what it's all about, differing personal preferences and the ability (after time) to fulfill them.
and as for back to backs but anyhow just to emphasise that I wasn't making a point/having a pop about your particular roster.
Last edited by wiggy; 7th October 2014 at 12:19.
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The 737 has a very limited life left in BA and there will be no new recruits on to it. BA therefore has no need to 737 type ratings. they will take the 737 as an acceptable rating when the supply of people rated on relevant types dries up. It is all about cost these days, BA will no longer pay for a rating they don't have to.p
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From: The Winchester
Above what sector length do you get an augmented crew?
There's no absolute answer since it depends on the likes of report time and previous rest as well as sector length.
As an example LHR/ORD/LHR is one of the longer non-augmented trips, whereas LHR/MIA/LHR is on the cusp and if scheduled as a 24 hour nightstop you'll be augmented, but if it is scheduled for a 48 hour slip then you are basic crew.
Last edited by wiggy; 7th October 2014 at 13:24.
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Wiggy
Shouldn't that be NO work should drop through. When I left, all Xmas work was covered by (some Xmas Out Reserve lines) then by the Xmas Out Trip Lines. No Xmas Out work was on a Blind Line.
Has that changed?
TBH there's a hardcore of senior pilots (self included) who for reasons various bid for Christmas "out"......and in theory very little Xmas work should drop through to the junior Blindlines, though who knows what will happen this year under the new rule set.
Has that changed?
