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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 07:25
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BitMoreRightRudder - I sincerely hope you are wrong.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 08:20
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BMRR I think you're spot on with your predictions. I thought in the past you were slating ezy and extolling the virtues of BA but I was wrong - your previous posts were pretty down to Earth and realistic.

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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 17:44
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Had the same problem - cleared up when I went to the local library to use a Windows PC running a recent (I'm guessing) version of IE. None of my Apple devices worked.
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 04:00
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Had the same problem but then tried to do the whole application on my iPad and it worked :-)
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Old 3rd Oct 2014, 06:42
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No sponsor - I hope to god I'm wrong too.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 15:16
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BA Direct Entry Pilot.

Cheers guys. Had to find ie9 for it to work.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 16:04
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Is there a chance that anyone who is towards the bottom of the seniority list on the 747 could share a couple of rosters?

Much appreciated, just want to see what I am getting myself in for!
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 17:13
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I eventually managed to get the thing to work on a Macbook, you have to scroll down with the arrow keys to see the rest of the page as it didn't load fully straight off, that was using Firefox. Had the acknowledgment so at least it got there.

Best of luck to all. A bit of luck for myself would be quite welcome as well.

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 19:24
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Two typical rosters from the bottom of the 747 are like this:

1/2 off, 3-7 s Africa, 8 off, 9-11 E USA, 12-16 off, 17-19 E USA, 20/21 off, 22-24 mid east, 25-27 W USA, 28-30 off.

1/2 carry in trip, 3/4 off, 5-7 E USA, 8-10 off, 11-13 Africa, 14/15 off, 16-18 mid east, 19/20 off, 21-23 E Canada, 24/25 off, 26-28 Africa, 29/30 off.

The most junior FO on the fleet will be about 500 places above you on the seniority list. So you will be at the bottom for a log while.

Hope this is of use

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Old 6th Oct 2014, 22:04
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Five trips. Sixteen days off at home. (In a 30 day month!) Eight days off downroute, and at least one three crew trip.

That's 'junior'?


Where do I apply??
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 22:10
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Looking at my roster this month I couldn't agree more! That looks fantastic.
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 22:13
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How about:

1-3 Off, 4-8 Caribbean, 9-16 off, 17-19 E USA, 20-22 E USA (Back2back), 23-27 off, 28-31 Caribbean.


777 fleet. ;-)
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Old 6th Oct 2014, 22:59
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How about 6 days hoping around Europe. 1 day off and then three more days hoping around?

Jealous aren't you?
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 01:03
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Race to the bottom anyone?!
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 05:36
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That looks fantastic.
That's 'junior'?
If you guys are longhaulers and think those are good/easy/fantastic rosters you genuinely have my sympathy, please let us know who you work for so we can put them on our "avoid" list...

For those who haven't experienced the joys of Long Haul: yes, the rosters look good on paper, but to badly paraphrase somebody: "before you judge a pilot's roster, work it for a month"

In the case of those binsleepin has kindly provided it's worth considering that hidden away beneath the surface are a fair few time zone changes (which may or may not be trivial), not much in the way of augmented crew, but above all a lot of nights out of bed tied in with 24 hour layovers, which produces multiple swings back and forth between day "shifts" and night "shifts" over the course of the month.......

IMHO those lines look like they are extremely tiring/fatiguing - a run of them certainly would be, that's why they're junior lines.

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 08:33
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That looks fantastic.
Just remember you will likely be at the bottom of any long haul list for around 7yrs+. In that time, aside leave, you will have little to likely no control over days off (working every Xmas!), leave allocation or destinations. As a junior pilot in reserve band 1 you will also do more standby than the majority of the fleet for the first 5yrs. These things may seem trivial now, but give it a few years and see if you feel the same.

Not to put a damper on things but also consider that a number of pilots in the past have been allocated long haul fleets, turned up on day one, and subsequently been allocated short haul. You are joining a company, not a fleet. Be prepared!

Finally, it has been confirmed that any long haul recruitment will be onto the 747 with perhaps a small number going on the 787. There will be no DEP on the 777 due sufficient internal bidders.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 08:57
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(working every Xmas!)
Have things changed? There used to be a point system for working over Christmas that avoided this.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 09:03
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There used to be a point system for working over Christmas that avoided this.
There is a points system, but most guys have half a dozen already and all the LH DEP's will start at 0. They will also start with 0 leave points, which are built up over a rolling 5yr window. Added to this is the fact that there will probably be very little future external recruitment to the fleet so the majority of new pilots to the fleet will be senior internal bidders who have likely already built a bank of points from short haul.

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Old 7th Oct 2014, 10:15
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It's all about choice. The wife wanted the first Caribbean, I wanted the second one and the back to back is my choice so I have certain days of the month off. All told, for my personal circumstances, the month works out very well.

Personally I don't find East Coast particularly demanding. But then that's what it's all about, differing personal preferences and the ability (after time) to fulfill them.
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Old 7th Oct 2014, 11:44
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At the risk of repeating a question already answered, what is the likelihood of 737 being added to that list of acceptable types?
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