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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 06:39
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www, is your plan 30 years at ezy?
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 06:51
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Edward England, Stocious is just about spot on with his figures. There are guys who commute from Norther Ireland etc on the SH fleet but its difficult for them. 90 minutes is ok just, but in my view anything over an hour is a real pain in the ass. If you are coming from the north the M25, M1, M40 can be almost impossible to judge. Many guys block their work together and stay down.

I was living an hour and 20 mins away and it was acceptable but I did eventually move to live within an hour although the commute was not the motivating factor
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 07:34
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I commuted from Glasgow on short haul for five years. It was manageable but not much fun. Also, I was able to pick up 4/5 day tours which kept down the nights at Heathrow. The real pains are disruption and reserve but there are plenty of acceptable b & bs near LHR for 30 a night.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 07:42
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FANS just to give you perspective, there is and will eventually be NO difference between any short haul operation in Europe in terms of fatigue/amount of hours flown etc..we are talking 830 (eighthundredandthirty!) hours flown in a year at a major as of 2014, this would have been unthinkable 10 years ago or even less. Long haul will eventually have the same problem.

So to ask if you are planning to stay in this or that company for x amount of years does not indicate much me thinks.

The truth is, if tiredness/fatigue is a factor for you (which it is for most of us flying for the airlines), then join the company with the best part time options/pay, not a traditional 5 days trips short haul operation, possibly commuting from the middle of the countryside.

Sorry for OT
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 09:40
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www, is your plan 30 years at ezy?
Half way there my friend. Options for 4 On 4 Off rosters being in the pipeline should help reduce fatigue and income tax issues soon. Everywhere else seems to have equal drawbacks and there's extra comfort being in the big orange lifeboat (70% fleet owned outright, ton of cash at hand and grew profits every year through horrendous recession).

I was told yesterday about a young chap who left to BA about five years ago when he must have been mid to late 20's. On the 380 fleet now he has worked out his numbers mean he is unlikely to ever get a command on that fleet. That surprised me a bit.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 09:44
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I was told yesterday about a young chap who left to BA about five years ago when he must have been mid to late 20's. On the 380 fleet now he has worked out his numbers mean he is unlikely to ever get a command on that fleet.
Sounds like a distortion. If he joined in mid to late 20s, he'd have over 35 years in the company and would easily secure a long haul command.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 10:18
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That was my assumption. Is the 380 fleet particularly senior though?

I have also heard speculation this week that the outcome of the short haul review might make shorthaul less agreeable. As a consequence there may be surge in shorthaul Captains bidding to transfer to longhaul RHS. Thus drastically increasing the number of years a new joiner might expect to be 'stuck' on shorthaul.

Its certainly a topic of debate amongst the FO community out here in the swamp.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 10:36
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No WWW, in fact the 380 is pretty unpopular. It has a limited number of routes, is seen to be quite a lot of hassle and a number of people have failed or removed themselves from the type rating course.

As for the shorthaul review. It's still up in the air at the moment. Rumours vary from total takeover of shorthaul flying (in the long term) by Veuling to minor changes to our terms and conditions. One thing is for certain, BA shorthaul is not a happy place to be at the moment and I expect there will be some skippers bidding back to the right hand seat of long haul.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 11:20
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DEP (rated) applications deadline postponed to the 18 september now...

Busy times at BA
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 11:56
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zzz - I didn't think the 380 would be really senior. Probably an exaggerated piece of gossip then.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 12:02
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I didn't think the 380 would be really senior. Probably an exaggerated piece of gossip then.
Yes it is, zzz has described the situation/fleet very well ( and very tactfully ).
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 12:14
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I was told yesterday about a young chap who left to BA about five years ago when he must have been mid to late 20's. On the 380 fleet now he has worked out his numbers mean he is unlikely to ever get a command on that fleet. That surprised me a bit
Sounds like a distortion. If he joined in mid to late 20s, he'd have over 35 years in the company and would easily secure a long haul command.
I have also heard speculation this week that the outcome of the short haul review might make shorthaul less agreeable. As a consequence there may be surge in shorthaul Captains bidding to transfer to longhaul RHS. Thus drastically increasing the number of years a new joiner might expect to be 'stuck' on shorthaul.

Its certainly a topic of debate amongst the FO community out here in the swamp.
The line of thought may be that BA SH days are numbered? BA currently has ~3600 pilots, of which approx 1500 are SH. Let's say the scenario happens where Vueling grows as per the "fear" and takes over BA SH @ LHR/LGW. Not overnight, but just gradually - much as MF do for CC. The new BA LH pilot workforce of ~2000 will comprise the absorbed SH pilots, all in the line for Command ahead of recent joiners.

I can only stress the above is one scenario, based on nothing in particular - better (or worse) scenarios are possible. But a timely BA command, and particularly a BA LH command rely on SH remaining on the BA pilot list...
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 13:20
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Thanks, that's great.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 13:52
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Ecamsurprise, I don't blame you. Your airline seems to be one with a future; if the doommongerers are correct, mine isn't.
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 14:42
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(Is that why you never wave at us? )
We never wave at you because you're always on a remote stand at the other end of the airfield!
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Old 3rd Sep 2014, 21:34
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I think EZY is great and can understand why many prefer to stay and take their much quicker commands. However I do wonder about EZY after their CEO departs, she has a vision and communicating with BALPA and staff has been part of that vision. There are still many contracts, bases and countries at EZY and I do wonder if the conditions will stand the test of a CEO with a different methods - the same methods observed at some of the other loco carriers.

Also interested to hear more from you BA pilots who speak about vueling. What do you envisage? Vuelings product is the opposite end of the spectrum is it not? A different customer base even?
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 08:22
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and then just look away in disgust is a little bit over the top
Bit harsh! Never done that, a couple of very good friends of mine are skippers for Ezy down at Gatters.

Personally I always wave to say hello to fellow professionals.

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Old 4th Sep 2014, 08:26
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Also interested to hear more from you BA pilots who speak about vueling. What do you envisage? Vuelings product is the opposite end of the spectrum is it not? A different customer base even?
Until about a decade ago some in BA thought the same about all the LoCos, and I think there was a very dangerous assumption made by some in the company that BA's superior customer service ( and I feel I need to emphasise this: )meant that our natural customer base would always tend to fly with us. Then the likes of Easyjet started to encroach on the likes of LGW. From conversations I have had and from what I have seen if timings and costs fit then BA's "natural" customers, yes even business class passengers, will certainly fly with the LoCos, and yes, even if they are connecting to/from a BA Longhaul flight...


At the end of the day I'm sure the accountants at IAG have looked at the costs of operating Vueling into LHR vs BA will have come up with a long term plan.....and unfortunately it probably won't involve BA shorthaul flight crew remaining on their current T&Cs.

All IMHO of course.
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 09:44
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A little off thread I'll grant you, but in my opinion BALPA are running scared of IAG due to what happened with Openskies. Back then, they were absolutely certain of their legal stance and then all of a sudden it was proven to be wrong. The whole idea that Veulling or any other IAG owned company could just come in and replace BA shorthaul is contrary to the spirit of UK employment law, however BALPA are petrified that BA would find a way. As a result, they agree to anything and everything. It is the same with the current rostering farce.

Would I join BA if I was starting over? I'd certainly consider the job as a stepping stone, but there is no way I'd plan to stay for the long term. I know pp17 SFOs with interviews elsewhere. Traditionally they'd be well and truly locked into the company for the duration by that stage.
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Old 4th Sep 2014, 11:54
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Can I just enquire....F/Os I fly with at work that have applied recently tell me that the job offer specifies that you can fly for another affiliated airline within the group (I.e Vueling) if so required by BA. Is this correct for current F/Os on the bus fleet?? Seems unlikely.
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