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Old 31st Aug 2014, 17:03
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BA has happily soaked up pilots from the likes of FlyBE in the past and their entrance minimums drift up and down according to supply and demand. It is likely that BA will be less attractive to a senior EasyJet FO these days who is perhaps not far from promotion so expect the entrance requirements to drop as experienced FOs choose to stay where they are.
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Old 31st Aug 2014, 19:11
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Yet we still have Easyjet captains joining the bottoms of our list?

Perhaps, but the last ex-EasyJet captain I spoke to wasn't sure he'd made the right choice and can't say I blame him.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 07:16
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I person I know was told he was successful and he politely turned it down to stay as a orange SFO. In short BA has competition from other airlines who offer better pay due to shorter times to command. It's no longer the clear cut decision it once was
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 09:34
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Seriously?
I thought BA was the dream of every single UK pilot, i am serious.
It is still for me, and i am not British.
Anyone got any reply from BA? Today is the last day to apply for DEP (rated).
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 09:37
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No point in comparing which airline is better than which, but just as a thought, if a skipper at the orange airline (especially if based in France/Italy) applied to join as FO at the bottom of the BA short haul seniority list, then it would definetly make me wonder...
no drama though, plenty of excellent pilots will que. it's all good
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 09:56
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if a skipper at the orange airline (especially if based in France/Italy) applied to join as FO at the bottom of the BA short haul seniority list, then it would definetly make me wonder...
There is potential for variety/routes/fleet et la after 5+years on short haul unto LH with BA which might not be the case with the Orange. Some people will challenge limits of their ability while following their passion. BA provides that environment that enables individuals and groups to flourish and thrive time and time again. It's this proven fact that 'plenty of excellent pilots will que' for.
Would the Orange vouch for this fact? It has to stand that test of time.

eaglesnest1972, we are on the same list

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Old 1st Sep 2014, 10:21
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Yes mate, wish you good luck
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 12:39
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Some people will challenge limits of their ability while following their passion. BA provides that environment that enables individuals and groups to flourish and thrive time and time again.
Have I just fallen into a parallel dimension of bull****? Wise up, it's a job you do so you can pay your bills, buy a car, take the missus on a nice holiday and put the kids through school. It makes naff all difference what colour the tail is painted. It's not like you are making some Zen-like spiritual life choice. I'll say again because it bears repeating: it's just a job!
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 12:54
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Yep have to agree with whats written here regarding it not being quite the cut/dry decision of easy vs BA it perhaps once was. I'm an SFO at ezy and didn't apply for BA this time round, friends inside BA speak of the changes its going through. If you want a career in the UK, more specifically London, BA probably still has the edge. No one can think 5 earlies at LGW with easy is doable for 30 years. It appears BA is the more sustainable of the two over the long term. If you want to fly long haul in the UK its BA or VS. Personally I like being home at night, an unused standby is a day at home. Again, easy is probably more appealing if you are at a base where your friends and family are near by. The name of the side means very little, a job they both are, with reasonably secure futures is what I am grateful for at the moment. There is more to life than flying!
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 13:19
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If I were able to commit to London then it would be a no brainer. It would be BA. Whilst you may earn more at EZY as you'll get a command quicker, you'll be lucky to see 50 in any degree of good health. The pay is good, the variety of flying is good, it is very stable. But 5 four sector days on the bounce is not sustainable, nor are the 02:00 beach flight finishes several days in a row. Yes BA work hard too, but it has to more sustainable. Anyone 30 or under and able to commit to London should really consider it.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 13:44
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I am currently flying like that in one of the worst place on earth, underpaid and with ridicoulous T&C's.
Given all that, for pilots in my same situation, entering BA would be like winning the lottery.
I would gladly fly 5x4 for the rest of my career (joking), for a solid and serious Company, in a civilized country and with fair and legal T&C's.
This is me of course
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 13:57
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Have I just fallen into a parallel dimension of bull****? Wise up, it's a job you do so you can pay your bills, buy a car, take the missus on a nice holiday and put the kids through school.
Without any doubt, there are many pilots at BA whose motivation to fly isn't money or any of those things you find top of your priority. I appreciate that money is important but for them it's about something different that pitches their flying ability with BA. At this point it ceases to be neither a job nor a career but a passion. This is who they actually are! It's called self realisation or self actualisation. It's this passion that motivates them to challenge their roofs; the desire and absolute commitment to 'to fly to serve' if you like . You will be surprised how much people can do when they are driven by love.

But yeah, I accept your motivation and point of view but I do not agree.

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Old 1st Sep 2014, 14:00
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Just to add a bit of reality to this. I have been in ezy not far off a decade and I have yet to do 5 x 4 sectors in a row. No idea if this will change with the wonderful EASA FTL though. Safety first and all.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 18:40
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Kirungi1.......there certainly are people who are exceptional within BA and must be motivated by more than money but OMG what a load of drivel. You must not be on the airbus fleet but a career at waterside would be just up your street. If they wanted to challenge their flying ability they would not be flying airliners.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 18:55
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Bovine excrement comes to mind.

If you want to challenge your roof..........go fly in Botswana, Yellowknife, fly biz jets without the comfort of the support network that BA provides. Flying big jets on a scheduled route network?........don't think so.

Good luck with the application though, if it's what you want I wish you all the best.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 19:48
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Yeah, pass the sick bucket...
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 19:49
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BA management wouldn't be doing their job if BA was still the head and shoulders choice.

I think BA T&Cs will decrease in real terms for new joiners (as I do EZY).

Equally, the culture of staying until grave needs to move, as it gets expensive but this needs a full upheaval of bidline which is a battle for another year.
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 20:15
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Spot on FANS.

The 34 point pay scale has addressed the issue to some extent as has part time working. The problem is the longer you have been in the easier it becomes. Why would you leave if your 50% on the top scale, 747 fleet? Pick where you want to go and near as dam it when. Then on your few trips a month take the wife with you on one and the girlfriend on the other

The system needs to be modernised then maybe 20-30 odd balls would not be fighting to stay beyond 65
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Old 1st Sep 2014, 20:34
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Without any doubt, there are many pilots at BA whose motivation to fly isn't they actually are! It's called self realisation or self actualisation. It's this passion that motivates them to challenge their roofs; the desire and absolute commitment to 'to fly to serve' if you like . You will be surprised how much people can do when they are driven by love.
There might well be but I'll add to what bex88 and FANS might be hinting towards here. I remember waiting on the staff bus outside the Jury's at Heathrow, readying myself for a blast in the 744 sim for DEP entry. I met a 14 year part time long haul SFO. He lived in a far off dimension, no real clue about the 'real' airline world dominated by RyanJet and EasyAir. Told me he never actually liked the job and it was a toss up between being a doctor and a pilot, but as BA were footing the bill he got into the 'flying lark.' Said he could cope with the part time and the odd trip to Sydney. Had zero interest in command, on any fleet at any stage.

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Old 1st Sep 2014, 21:13
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bex88, GBD and Callsign Kilo, thanks all for your insights and corrections.

I'm sure the Managed Path - F/O for instance, is always going to be competitive and applicants will be contending to fly airliners.
I apologise for the drivel but it's always going to be a question of motivation for some that would generate responses of why fly for BA to a greater extent than how or what to fly in general; otherwise some people would buy their own planes to fly.

Flying airliners in Botswana is a challenge in a different context but it wouldn't be that long to touch the roof; yes different challenges but less strenuous (less traffic, number of days off, weather/visibility... et la)
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