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Some people will challenge limits of their ability while following their passion. BA provides that environment that enables individuals and groups to flourish and thrive time and time again.
Yep have to agree with whats written here regarding it not being quite the cut/dry decision of easy vs BA it perhaps once was. I'm an SFO at ezy and didn't apply for BA this time round, friends inside BA speak of the changes its going through. If you want a career in the UK, more specifically London, BA probably still has the edge. No one can think 5 earlies at LGW with easy is doable for 30 years. It appears BA is the more sustainable of the two over the long term. If you want to fly long haul in the UK its BA or VS. Personally I like being home at night, an unused standby is a day at home. Again, easy is probably more appealing if you are at a base where your friends and family are near by. The name of the side means very little, a job they both are, with reasonably secure futures is what I am grateful for at the moment. There is more to life than flying!
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If I were able to commit to London then it would be a no brainer. It would be BA. Whilst you may earn more at EZY as you'll get a command quicker, you'll be lucky to see 50 in any degree of good health. The pay is good, the variety of flying is good, it is very stable. But 5 four sector days on the bounce is not sustainable, nor are the 02:00 beach flight finishes several days in a row. Yes BA work hard too, but it has to more sustainable. Anyone 30 or under and able to commit to London should really consider it.
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I am currently flying like that in one of the worst place on earth, underpaid and with ridicoulous T&C's.
Given all that, for pilots in my same situation, entering BA would be like winning the lottery.
I would gladly fly 5x4 for the rest of my career (joking), for a solid and serious Company, in a civilized country and with fair and legal T&C's.
This is me of course
Given all that, for pilots in my same situation, entering BA would be like winning the lottery.
I would gladly fly 5x4 for the rest of my career (joking), for a solid and serious Company, in a civilized country and with fair and legal T&C's.
This is me of course
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Have I just fallen into a parallel dimension of bull****? Wise up, it's a job you do so you can pay your bills, buy a car, take the missus on a nice holiday and put the kids through school.
But yeah, I accept your motivation and point of view but I do not agree.
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Just to add a bit of reality to this. I have been in ezy not far off a decade and I have yet to do 5 x 4 sectors in a row. No idea if this will change with the wonderful EASA FTL though. Safety first and all.
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Kirungi1.......there certainly are people who are exceptional within BA and must be motivated by more than money but OMG what a load of drivel. You must not be on the airbus fleet but a career at waterside would be just up your street. If they wanted to challenge their flying ability they would not be flying airliners.
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Bovine excrement comes to mind.
If you want to challenge your roof..........go fly in Botswana, Yellowknife, fly biz jets without the comfort of the support network that BA provides. Flying big jets on a scheduled route network?........don't think so.
Good luck with the application though, if it's what you want I wish you all the best.
If you want to challenge your roof..........go fly in Botswana, Yellowknife, fly biz jets without the comfort of the support network that BA provides. Flying big jets on a scheduled route network?........don't think so.
Good luck with the application though, if it's what you want I wish you all the best.
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BA management wouldn't be doing their job if BA was still the head and shoulders choice.
I think BA T&Cs will decrease in real terms for new joiners (as I do EZY).
Equally, the culture of staying until grave needs to move, as it gets expensive but this needs a full upheaval of bidline which is a battle for another year.
I think BA T&Cs will decrease in real terms for new joiners (as I do EZY).
Equally, the culture of staying until grave needs to move, as it gets expensive but this needs a full upheaval of bidline which is a battle for another year.
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Spot on FANS.
The 34 point pay scale has addressed the issue to some extent as has part time working. The problem is the longer you have been in the easier it becomes. Why would you leave if your 50% on the top scale, 747 fleet? Pick where you want to go and near as dam it when. Then on your few trips a month take the wife with you on one and the girlfriend on the other
The system needs to be modernised then maybe 20-30 odd balls would not be fighting to stay beyond 65
The 34 point pay scale has addressed the issue to some extent as has part time working. The problem is the longer you have been in the easier it becomes. Why would you leave if your 50% on the top scale, 747 fleet? Pick where you want to go and near as dam it when. Then on your few trips a month take the wife with you on one and the girlfriend on the other
The system needs to be modernised then maybe 20-30 odd balls would not be fighting to stay beyond 65
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Without any doubt, there are many pilots at BA whose motivation to fly isn't they actually are! It's called self realisation or self actualisation. It's this passion that motivates them to challenge their roofs; the desire and absolute commitment to 'to fly to serve' if you like . You will be surprised how much people can do when they are driven by love.
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bex88, GBD and Callsign Kilo, thanks all for your insights and corrections.
I'm sure the Managed Path - F/O for instance, is always going to be competitive and applicants will be contending to fly airliners.
I apologise for the drivel but it's always going to be a question of motivation for some that would generate responses of why fly for BA to a greater extent than how or what to fly in general; otherwise some people would buy their own planes to fly.
Flying airliners in Botswana is a challenge in a different context but it wouldn't be that long to touch the roof; yes different challenges but less strenuous (less traffic, number of days off, weather/visibility... et la)
I'm sure the Managed Path - F/O for instance, is always going to be competitive and applicants will be contending to fly airliners.
I apologise for the drivel but it's always going to be a question of motivation for some that would generate responses of why fly for BA to a greater extent than how or what to fly in general; otherwise some people would buy their own planes to fly.
Flying airliners in Botswana is a challenge in a different context but it wouldn't be that long to touch the roof; yes different challenges but less strenuous (less traffic, number of days off, weather/visibility... et la)
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Oh Lord Kirungi.
I once sat next to a Captain who said that we, as pilots, were the social elite.... Whilst struggling to do 'the Sun' crossword.
The cadets coming through are not exactly world beaters. Many have their abilities masked by flying an airliner in such a controlled environment, not challenged by it. BA is no different.
I once sat next to a Captain who said that we, as pilots, were the social elite.... Whilst struggling to do 'the Sun' crossword.
The cadets coming through are not exactly world beaters. Many have their abilities masked by flying an airliner in such a controlled environment, not challenged by it. BA is no different.
My tiny (full time, normal line pilot) cog in the big orange machine amounts to 687hrs 33mins Block hours in the last 12 months over 339 sectors requiring 1,379hrs 40mins Duty hours. Two days sick, standard leave.
I'm doubtless institutionalised after 14 years but talk of unsustainable burn out passes me by.
I'm doubtless institutionalised after 14 years but talk of unsustainable burn out passes me by.
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The cadets don't need to be world beaters. Flying from LHR has many challenges and more frustrations, but you don't need to be able to walk on water in today's machinery.
Therein lies the rub. The days of legacy t and c s can not last and really people are playing for time. The curve is down but BA is still an outstanding option for those in the right circumstances.
Therein lies the rub. The days of legacy t and c s can not last and really people are playing for time. The curve is down but BA is still an outstanding option for those in the right circumstances.
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Good luck for all today. Hopefully good news for most as we need guys and girls to join us.
My two pence worth......why do you want to leave your current airline? "I don't I am quite happy there"
Why do you want to join BA? "I just can't see myself not getting bored of flying tracksuits to turkey for the next 30 years and I appreciate the opportunities BA offer over a career"
And tell me what is your ultimate goal if you were to join BA? "To balance a successful and progressive career with a happy marriage". To which the interviewing pilot smiles, laughed and said yes yes divorce is expensive I can tell you.
How would you describe yourself? "Recklessly honest"
Worked for me so BA sometimes appreciate straight to the point without the equine poop.
My two pence worth......why do you want to leave your current airline? "I don't I am quite happy there"
Why do you want to join BA? "I just can't see myself not getting bored of flying tracksuits to turkey for the next 30 years and I appreciate the opportunities BA offer over a career"
And tell me what is your ultimate goal if you were to join BA? "To balance a successful and progressive career with a happy marriage". To which the interviewing pilot smiles, laughed and said yes yes divorce is expensive I can tell you.
How would you describe yourself? "Recklessly honest"
Worked for me so BA sometimes appreciate straight to the point without the equine poop.
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WWW,
A full-time LHR shorthaul pilot will do broadly the same number of hours as you indicate (the average is slightly more in fact) but with annual duty time approaching 2000 hours, usually spent hanging around in a windowless coffee bar in the bowels of T5 waiting for your next aircraft (fixed links are rare).
Personally, it's all the hanging around and feet dragging which gets to me.....
Edit: If you join today, you will get a five year shorthaul freeze. What this does not mean is that you can move to longhaul after five years. What it means is that you will have a valid bid which will be actioned subject to vacancies and your seniority. Currently, you will have to wait around seven years for your seniority to allow a move.
A full-time LHR shorthaul pilot will do broadly the same number of hours as you indicate (the average is slightly more in fact) but with annual duty time approaching 2000 hours, usually spent hanging around in a windowless coffee bar in the bowels of T5 waiting for your next aircraft (fixed links are rare).
Personally, it's all the hanging around and feet dragging which gets to me.....
Edit: If you join today, you will get a five year shorthaul freeze. What this does not mean is that you can move to longhaul after five years. What it means is that you will have a valid bid which will be actioned subject to vacancies and your seniority. Currently, you will have to wait around seven years for your seniority to allow a move.
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Personally, I wish we could offer all the Monarch chaps and chappets places. I don't think we will be short this time around.
BA for all its faults (and there are a few) is still far superior than the crappy outfit I used to fly for.
BA for all its faults (and there are a few) is still far superior than the crappy outfit I used to fly for.