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Old 28th Sep 2014, 18:44
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Champagne anyone...?
 
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Given how short they are on the 744 I'd imagine the courses would start just as soon as you could work your notice with your present employer....
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 18:55
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Oh... Thanks!
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Old 28th Sep 2014, 23:47
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The recruitment process takes 2-3 months at the minimum from application to hold pool. Job offers are given a minimum of 3 months prior to courses starting in order to allow the applicant to give in their notice to their present employer.

Therefore for applications going in now I wouldn't expect a training course before the end of March '15, but that is just my opinion.

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 04:59
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bex88

Out of curiosity, with those figures you quoted, is FPA (circa 650) a monthly occurrence? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term...

So (if my poor maths holds up), you're looking at a basic of around 4300PCM, plus 650 + 1000, so around 5000 gross (3500 net) per month as a DEP on long haul?

I only ask as I have a few mates interested in applying to get back home, just wondering how the numbers stack up, not that money is the main driver, for most its the desire to move back home.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 15:36
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52kpa + another 12kpa in duty pay gives you 64000 per year. At current tax rate that netts you approximately 3700 per month after tax and NI. If you pay the max 6% into your pension then your take home becomes 3500.

On top of that are your allowances at approx 650 per month. These are, I believe, taxed at a very marginal rate (if at all) and so you can expect to see 5-600 of that in your pay packet. Take home pay, per month then would be approximately 4100 per month.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 17:35
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OUCH!!!

As much as I would love to chuck in the towel with the mob I work for in HKG, my take home pay (including housing) is THREE TIMES that.

I know money isn't everything, but that's a show stopper.

Shame.

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 18:01
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Yeah... but what we're talking about here is starting FO pay. There are 34 pay points...

Is your pay, FO or Capts pay, do you have seniority etc?
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 18:17
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10 year F/0. Trapped in my golden handcuffs.

Money isn't everything, but... seniority is.

Biggest error of judgement I ever made joining this outfit.

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 19:03
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Flying clog;

If being trapped in golden handcuffs is difficult, think about facing a third redundancy in under 5 years and facing no job and no income after xmas followed by a pension that wouldn't support a small hamster. Then consider that your best hope is a selection process with an 80% chance of failure, even at the first stage. Things suddenly don't look too bad do they?

Put yourself in the position of the Monarch guys or even someone like myself. You could easily wind up as a Grounded clog.

I'll get me coat...
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 21:32
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Starting FO pay as a year one FO (about a year after starting your upgrade from SO is a take home of around 7300. This is on a normal non-expat contract with no housing.

Seniority-based pay scale goes up gently, take home as a fresh skipper around 11500 net.

Similar number of pay points to BA.

Not that it's the only consideration, but the money in the UK isn't great.
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 04:50
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Do people delsy dine to supplement their salary? HMRC would love that. Are the allowances enough to cover your host bill?

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Old 30th Sep 2014, 06:30
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Allowances are easily enough to cover your Host bill unless you're unfortunate enough to have 2/3 HKGs in a month in which case your wallet and liver might take a bit of a bashing.
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 07:08
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Yep, what Megaton said...as long as you're vaguely sensible your allowances daily rate will cover the "Host" bill for most destinations.
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 08:24
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Don't forget though that the cost of living in Hong Kong is astronomical, way more than the UK which itself is expensive. Unless you're slurping on noodles in Mongkok, it's definitely not cheap.
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 08:44
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Given how short they are on the 744 I'd imagine the courses would start just as soon as you could work your notice with your present employer....
My mate is a three striper on short haul at BA. Every year he's put in a bid transfer for the 747 so why is he still being denied..?

Don't forget though that the cost of living in Hong Kong is astronomical, way more than the UK which itself is expensive. Unless you're slurping on noodles in Mongkok, it's definitely not cheap.
Nonsense. Happy endings are far cheaper in HK
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 08:52
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My mate is a three striper on short haul at BA. Every year he's put in a bid transfer for the 747 so why is he still being denied..?
Still frozen or lacking seniority. The process of fleet transfer within BA is transparent and open.
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 09:06
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My mate is a three striper on short haul at BA. Every year he's put in a bid transfer for the 747 so why is he still being denied..?
What Juan said. .........OTOH the postings ("transfer") system is quite dynamic, so given the rate of change in the P&P arena at the moment it's possible your mate might get a pleasant surprise (albeit at short notice...).
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 09:17
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My mate is a three striper on short haul at BA. Every year he's put in a bid transfer for the 747 so why is he still being denied..?
IIRC

Moving from two to three stripes occurs after four years. The Engagement Freeze runs to five years. But your mate could easily have told you that? So 'every year', he's either been frozen, or he's only been bidding for 747. (they've had few vacancies recently as the number of hulls is reducing) Though he could likely have had A380, B777 or B787 had he been unfrozen AND bid for them.

Or maybe he's waiting for the A350?

Choices, choices!

The process is completely and utterly transparent. Unlike very many other outfits. Though I have just read of the possibility of 'denied bids' in 2015, due solely to BA's lack of required training capacity.

Flying Clog.

Your 'biggest error of judgement' is preferring the number in the bottom right corner of your pay slip above everything else! I hope Beijing don't come a knocking!

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Old 30th Sep 2014, 10:23
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His joining year was summer 2006 so it must be seniority.

Will new hires jump over him if needs must..?
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 10:45
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In any normal year, new recruits would only be accepted in a seat for which there are insufficient unfrozen internal bidders.

However, it's looking increasingly likely that 2015 may not be a normal year.
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