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Old 15th Aug 2014, 13:02
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I agree it's the best place in the UK, but you need to see a flying career as very different to 20 years ago with a different calibre of people.
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 06:23
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...I suspect you're right FANS, but prospective employees also now need to know that it's also now an airline where management cannot actually deliver pivotal elements of agreed pay deals......
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 07:31
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This is the Pilot Share Plan that was much vaunted in 2009, even making it into the papers, which was to provide an executive reward which recognises the miracles we do everyday to save the reputation of this company in a tax efficient way. The sort of scheme that senior managers take for granted.

On Friday, IAG said that we're not worthy of such recognition and tore up the agreement. In just the same way that they're about to tear up the rest of our agreements on rostering and hotel accommodation and everything else we value.

Just so's you know what you're letting yourself in for.
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 07:50
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"the Pilot Share Plan that was much vaunted in 2009, even making it into the papers......"

For those that are perplexed as to what is being discussed:

Seems several years down the road BA have been told by someone in IAG that the shares are not going to be made available...in other words BA management made a promise they couldn't keep. Cash may now be offered by way of compensation but details/amounts are yet to be confirmed:

Just so's you know what you're letting yourself in for.
Couldn't have put it better myself.....

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Old 17th Aug 2014, 07:52
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with a different calibre of people.
Approaching my 26th year in UK airlines...totally agree with FANS!
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Old 17th Aug 2014, 14:40
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Yes, young people these days. Tut tut tut. It was different in my day you know! Bloody first officers.......Yawn.

If you wanted multiple employee share schemes, you should have joined Easyjet!
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 14:34
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Seems several years down the road BA have been told by someone in IAG that the shares are not going to be made available...in other words BA management made a promise they couldn't keep. Cash may now be offered by way of compensation but details/amounts are yet to be confirmed:
I certainly wouldn't be accepting any sort of compensation without a fight. By definition, this "profit sharing" scheme only applies when the airline is in a good financial position. Maybe if this agreement is dropped pilots can have a pay rise to make up for their side of the bargain?
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 20:08
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It is a legacy of Dan Air, but that's over 20 years ago.
This is not the case.

In truth it is the legacy of Bob Ayling and a continuous loop of grey suited accountants who now run everything.
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 10:04
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Invitation for more applicants, re-opened today!

Wonderful things happen at BA, don't they?

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Old 20th Aug 2014, 12:34
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I just checked the DEP recruitment page, it says it's closed?
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 12:44
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Makes sense for BA to reopen if Monarch is on its knees.
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 13:04
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Makes sense for BA to reopen if Monarch is on its knees.
BA don't think like that..and in any event AFAIK the recruitment for DEPs has not reopened.
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 13:14
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Hasn't it?
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 14:01
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Still need a bus rating though
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 14:34
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Apologies, certainly wasn't showing when I looked a little while back...I'm either going to blame my browser or BA iM
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 15:45
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A few friends couldn't find it either, the DEP page links to an old First Officer opening so you need to go in to the job search and do it manually. I was signed up for alerts and got an email this morning.
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 16:54
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Anyone know what the current starting salary is for DEP airbus? Do they still get 9 per hour flying pay as pilotjobsnetwork says, I understand the ex bmi guys didn't get this flying pay so is that now the norm for all joiners? Otherwise, how much does this work out annually?

Also, anyone know a realistic time to command?
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 19:44
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So, not enough applicants last time around. Now only 200hrs on the Airbus required...

Perhaps the next round will recruit non typed individuals?

Anyway, interesting to see BA was not flooded with applicants.
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 22:05
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It used to be the case that guys and gals would flock in from RYR and EZ. There have even been a handful going back to EZ recently believe it or not!

The fact is that if you are close to a command at either of the above (or elsewhere for that matter), all of a sudden it isn't a cut and dried decision to head for BA anymore, especially as there is currently no direct entry onto longhaul. 34 pay points for new joiners (34 being the same as the old 24), the BARP pension (middle of the road compared to the competition, by all accounts) and a long time to either RHS longhaul or LHS (any) make it a less attractive proposition than it used to be.

You will do at least five years on shorthaul at LHR (do your research carefully as to what that actually means in terms of lifestyle. ) before you are able to bid to move to longhaul RHS. Even then you need the seniority, which you may or may not have (research the demography). A shorthaul command will traditionally occur at some point after longhaul. Currently this is running at nearly fifteen years for a LGW command, slightly more for LHR (this does vary a little to be fair). Longhaul commands take significantly longer.

Welcome aboard but for Pete's sake do your research properly.
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Old 21st Aug 2014, 07:13
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A few of my colleagues applied. They are all well-trained, highly-motivated, enthusiastic, knowledgeable and generally excellent all-round operators and thoroughly nice people. All with plenty of Airbus experience at a reputable airline. Not one of them got in this time around.

It does make you wonder what the recruitment team are looking for.
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