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Old 5th Nov 2018, 08:31
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Originally Posted by Jumbo2 View Post
I'm pretty convinced all the 4 day and 5 day trips will still end up in the top 25%, there are less then 75 4-5 day trips total and just like high credit day trips they will go senior. also at 50% you are still within reach of the optimisation process.

There's comfortably in excess of double that number available in Jan.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 15:01
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Originally Posted by Dutchflyer View Post
Hi everyone,

At the moment I am in the holding pool for about 2 weeks now. I did not receive my Sim feedback yet. Anyone knows how long that normally takes?

Thanks!
Hi,

I'm in the same position. Positive feedback from sim a few weeks ago. No further contact since that point. Waiting patiently for a phone call.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine View Post
Hi,

I'm in the same position. Positive feedback from sim a few weeks ago. No further contact since that point. Waiting patiently for a phone call.
When I got call with course date Lucy read me my sim feedback over the phone.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 16:47
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Join Date: Nov 2018
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Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine View Post
Hi,

I'm in the same position. Positive feedback from sim a few weeks ago. No further contact since that point. Waiting patiently for a phone call.
I got a call last friday with an offer. Took just over 3 weeks. Got the sim feedback over the phone.
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 16:52
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Be patient. Manpower are very busy sorting the jigsaw out for next year and seeing where the holes appear for new joiners
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Old 13th Nov 2018, 18:45
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Originally Posted by Thegreenmachine View Post
Hi,

I'm in the same position. Positive feedback from sim a few weeks ago. No further contact since that point. Waiting patiently for a phone call.
Don't suppose you have any feedback for those waiting to attend Stage 3?

Cheers.
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 23:42
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Join Date: Aug 2003
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Not sure why one of Rex's funnier posts was deleted, but I like him now; can we keep him?

If y'all had any idea how much effort is being pumped into JSS on our end...

If you have multiple offers, please evaluate them objectively. I absolutely LOVE my job, but you ain't gonna join where I'm at.

If you want to talk privately, PM me.

Cheers

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Old 17th Nov 2018, 11:59
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Post self deleted Buter as it wasnt necessary to keep bickering about the amount of five day trips available on a BA recruitment forum.

January JSS dry run however has (as hoped for) thrown up a far more commutable SH roster than currently is the case with Bidline pre swaps which was more or less my point. Should only get better too with increasing seniority. However its a moot point for me as Im off to sample the delights of Carmen!
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 17:13
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Join Date: Nov 2018
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Hello everyone,

Just looking for some advice, if anyone is in the know!

I recently attended (and passed) the second stage interview and group assessment and wanted to get some info regarding A320 command opportunities. It was claimed that with over the applicable command hours requirement, one could expect a short haul command, if so desired, at LGW (or even LHR!) within 6 -12 months of joining. Is this a real possibility? Are the command slots really going to those that junior?

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 19:02
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Not sure about 6-12 months but 18-24 seems feasible at the moment, probably LGW rather than LHR although JSS means all bets could be off.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 19:12
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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The bigger question by far should be, what will you be paid and what will your lifestyle be as a junior captain? I suspect the answer on both counts all be extremely disappointing. Think extremely carefully before deciding anything would be my advice
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 19:30
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Join Date: Jan 2012
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Would you have got a command in that time frame if you had joined in time to bid for the following training year? 2016 = yes but not LHR, 2017 = no, 2018 = no for LHR, yes LGW. 2019 training year, rumour is yes for LGW but I believe it’s no for LHR but they have gone very junior. Hopefully that helps.

Now the truth about a junior command. Really really bad rosters. You will work at least 9 in 10 weekends if not more. Generally 2 day 6 again and again. The bonus was TASS which could mean a few extra days off per month over more senior guys who choose their work. Under the new JSS rosters that will have gone. You can expect to work 18 days a month or more all year on low credit trips with long turns at LHR. Add to that 3 reserve periods each year. It’s ok for a bit but for years and years you will sit stuck at the bottom as more senior guys parachute in above you. Essentially it destroys your life. It’s ok though because you will be rewarded with a captain pay check........except you will be paid 30-35k less than at EZY or RYR. Colleagues of mine have not had a clear weekend in a year! (Excluding leave)

LGW is probably a better option due to the rostering system.

BA is a good company to work for but the seniority driven rostering is terrible.


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Old 19th Nov 2018, 21:27
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BA are falling behind remuneration wise, for older folk it makes less sense. Easyjet work hard but the rewards are pretty good.
Guys/gals at the top will do nothing because they don’t want to upset the apple cart, done my time screw the ones below me.

Guys/gals just joined, worked hard to get into BA learning how bidline/JSS etc works don’t want to upset people will do nothing.

Win win for BA

I personally think the BA seniority system is a joke guys/gals given the crap because they haven’t done the time. BS.

We have seniority in my airline but I would happily have a rotating system to give others a chance. Many times I have given up a weekend to help out someone or changed shift because someone doesn’t like flying to xyz.




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Old 20th Nov 2018, 04:23
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Originally Posted by buzzc152 View Post
Hi all.

I'm off to stage 1 in a few weeks.
When I went the first time (18 months ago) I seem to remember being tripped up by the rate of climb/descent part of the computer test. I can't now remember what exactly the problem was but I do recall that it wasn't presented in the normal ft/min way that we're used to in real flying.
Is anyone able to post a few examples of how this part of the test works ?

Thank you
Any chance you can pm me the descent/climb issues?
rgds
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 08:50
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Originally Posted by Britabroad View Post
Hello everyone,

Just looking for some advice, if anyone is in the know!

I recently attended (and passed) the second stage interview and group assessment and wanted to get some info regarding A320 command opportunities. It was claimed that with over the applicable command hours requirement, one could expect a short haul command, if so desired, at LGW (or even LHR!) within 6 -12 months of joining. Is this a real possibility? Are the command slots really going to those that junior?

Many thanks in advance.
It also appears to depend on the fleet that you get assigned. So much for strict seniority. Junior 320 FO's are getting upgrades, whilst those senior that were directed to long haul appear to be getting bypassed, simply because of the cost of the course. Something else they isn't mentioned when you apply, nor is expected in such a strict seniority system. I can understand it for people that have been grated transfers that they requested, but not for those that are directed upon joining, and onto a type for which many are already type rated (think 777/787 pilots from Norweigan, EK, QR, CX etc).
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 10:33
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BA can at any time within your engagement freeze direct you to a new posting. Its covered in our agreement. But as you suggest it is probably cost and training capacity that are the driving factor.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Tricia Takanawa View Post
It also appears to depend on the fleet that you get assigned. So much for strict seniority. Junior 320 FO's are getting upgrades, whilst those senior that were directed to long haul appear to be getting bypassed, simply because of the cost of the course.
Haha that’s a good one, I’ll bite. Joining direct onto a Long Haul fleet and bypassing the seniority of eligible internal FO’s (for the reasons of the training footprint and cost no less) then moaning that you can’t now take a SH command for the exact same reasons, which are why you guys are on your Long Haul fleets to begin with? Clear case of having your cake and eating it there Tricia, gotta call it I’m afraid and for once I’m on the company’s side.

(And before we use the term “directed” in the same breath as DEP Long Haul I’m sure there were plenty of these people attempting to turn down Long Haul for RHS on the Airbus )

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Old 20th Nov 2018, 13:47
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If you want to make BA your career the only smart move is taking the earliest start date on whatever fleet you are offered. I was only offered long haul as at the time they didn’t have enough internal bidders who met the hour and insurance requirements.

Don’t join BA if your sole reason is expecting a very early command would be my view as you are likely to be disappointed, if only because those who are now getting very junior commands will be in those seats for a long time with very little movement. The only reason Gatwick particularly is going so junior is the need to man up and fly the slots acquired from Monafch internally.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 15:11
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Originally Posted by Jwscud View Post
If you want to make BA your career the only smart move is taking the earliest start date on whatever fleet you are offered. I was only offered long haul as at the time they didn’t have enough internal bidders who met the hour and insurance requirements.

Don’t join BA if your sole reason is expecting a very early command would be my view as you are likely to be disappointed, if only because those who are now getting very junior commands will be in those seats for a long time with very little movement. The only reason Gatwick particularly is going so junior is the need to man up and fly the slots acquired from Monafch internally.
Like you, I was offered the advice of joining ASAP on what ever fleet they offer. I was prepared, and in fact wanted short haul as everyone told me it would result in more roster satisfaction sooner. Living close to LHR, and having a young family this was, and still is important. However, I was offered LH (not my desired LH fleet either.) So, I was defiantly directed by BA due to costs, and my experience.

Roll on 4 years, and with a seniority number hovering around 3500, there are people getting LGW cmds at 3900. This I have a problem with. Anyone senior to me, fair enough, thats the company that I joined. At no time was I told seniority rules, apart from when it doesn't.

I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised. I was also told that reserve was allocated on a fair points system, apart from senior guys get 3 times the number of points per RSV period. And it takes 4 years to get enough leave points to get anything close to a school holiday, on another system that was sold as being fair. Oh well, apparently I should be lucky to be in.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 15:29
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Fully sympathise Tricia however when you joined it was very likely there were bidders senior to you who were denied their move to Long Haul because it was cheaper to employ Direct Entry Pilots and only pay for one course, rather than two. To the vast majority of Short Haul Pilots in the RHS, Long Haul is seen as the golden ticket, granted it wasn’t in your circumstances but I would suggest that’s fairly rare.

Given that this has been happening for the last few years (and has happened in British Airways for a long time now) it should be of no surprise to you that BA are now using the same rule set to give junior commands to those who are rated to reduce their training costs. I post this point of view as someone who wanted long haul but didn’t get it, why should people like me not now benefit from being rated on type - BA have clearly shown precedent - if they want to gain their command? (I don’t BTW)
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