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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 23:04
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Not quite WW, there's no talk of a scheduling system called "Bidline" ceasing, that would be a step too far, but it is morphing at a very rapid rate ......

There's a bit of a long game being played at the moment between the Reps and the company, and it's not a good time for the Short haul community. The union reps are certainly catching some grief at the moment....however if the Reps are right about manning levels, or the lack of, some in management could perhaps find themselves with a "no tea, no biscuits" interview in Madrid if we end up with significant cancellations in August because of a lack of manpower.

That said IMHO BALPA are playing a high risk game, I hope for the membership's sake they've got it right.

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 07:19
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Fair comment Wiggy I expect quite a few August cancellations with morale dipping by the day this force draft mechanism seems to be counter productive with sickness levels increasing. I can see trouble on the horizon especially with operations being reviewed with regards to cost savings needed.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 08:12
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Hi,

I did my interview yesterday, how long can I expect to wait until I get an answer? If I were successful, when are they planning to run the sim check?

Thanks

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 11:13
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Watersidewonker, stop trolling, you're talking nonsense, go back to worrying about cabin crew stuff!
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 12:04
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Anyone considering joining as a pilot at BA should read the following article and decide do they really want to join a company where profits are more important than the safety of it's employees and customers. If BA can't even gets it's cabin crew to turn up for this flight ( delay today ) maybe serious questions must be asked in light of other airlines concerns.

British Airways continues Israel flights despite rocket landing near Ben Gurion Airport | Mail Online

PS sinbin your trolling accusations are totally unfounded with your head buried in the sand once again no wonder your're not seeing the bigger picture.

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 12:35
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..however if the Reps are right about manning levels, or the lack of, some in management could perhaps find themselves with a "no tea, no biscuits" interview in Madrid if we end up with significant cancellations in August because of a lack of manpower.
It's great to see that the Waterside management have managed to get manpower so wrong when this time last year they were adamant that they had got it so right. Shameful to see BA shorthaul being the scapegoat. Another kick in the knackers for the industry; I'd be wary about joining now for all the reasons stated. Unless you are stuck somewhere you don't want to be, namely overseas with no chance to get home plus very limited prospects then you ought to question your motives.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 13:05
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Don't worry about it, BA will have no problem filling the RHS.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 13:23
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Would you folks care to give some more details regarding "the offer"? Is it really that bad and, if yes, will it actually be voted by the pilots?

Lots of us considering the options at this point...

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 13:48
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Watersidewonker, all you are doing is trying to wind people up, you bring no benefit to this thread with unfounded rumour after unfounded rumour backed up by some journalistic from none other the Mail. It's not great at the moment I'll give you that, but it's still a dammed sight better than other outfits I can tell you. Oh and my eyes are wide open too thanks very much!
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 17:53
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Consider the facts sinbin the good old Daily Mail was very very supportive towards BA during the cabin crew dispute of 2010 very anti union i must say. Many would have thought that the pilots union would be pulling the strings with regards to safety concerns examples being Tripoli Tel Aviv and Nairobi alas weakness is quite evident. Any pilot considering joining must consider promotion prospects are very limited coupled with poor starter rates and a fragmented workforce something akin to the masons. Major changes are in the pipeline with a raw deal being served up by an aggressive management structure driven by the next bonus payment. Good luck at your interviews.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 18:58
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Many would have thought that the pilots union would be pulling the strings with regards to safety concerns examples being Tripoli Tel Aviv and Nairobi alas weakness is quite evident. Any pilot considering joining must consider promotion prospects are very limited coupled with poor starter rates
Perhaps if you have such grave concerns and are indeed a pilot as you seem to promote, please give the BA security team a call and they will be happy to talk you through how they arrived at their decision to continue operations. It is a risk assessment and no BA pilot would operate there if they were not completely confident in the safety of the flight.
As for promotion prospects, depending on aspirations it looks likely that a LGW shorthaul command will come down to around 8yrs this winter. Perhaps Heathrow is currently circa 15yrs, but it won't take much for this to drop so take whatever is quoted now as pure guess work.
Starting salary for a new joiner will rise to around 65k in sept (inc allowances). I don't think you will find many FO positions with a starting salary of this scale.

As for bid line, yes it will evolve, but the basis of how we bid for work will remain exactly the same (based on seniority).
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 19:20
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WW

Thank you for your posts on this forum thread.

Rather than use the anonymous medium for spreading your thoughts, if you'd like to have a conversation by telephone please drop me a private message so we can set that up. I'd be happy to discuss any of the points you raise, and give you my thoughts and point of view on them.

I hope you take me up on the offer,

Kind regards

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 19:36
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Well, strike me down! It's true!
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 20:37
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Oh dear WW, better get that exercise book down the back of your trousers before receiving 6 of the best from a cane, where it hurts!!!

If it's true that BA can't launch scheduled services as a result of mis-management of personnel (sorry, human resources!), then who should be up for a firing, without a golden handshake??

Most unlikely it would be a coalface worker, but truth is stranger than fiction......

SkyRocket10. If you're connected with the BA security team, remind them of the content of my posting #871 on the MH17 thread, they may be too young to remember such events. Those who forget history.....................

Amendment List #1. SkyRocket10, disregard my last, my posting # 871 has been excised from that thread. I wonder why?

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 21:59
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Cor blimey governor! Sticking your neck out here aren't you Lindsay? Your company and it's recruitment policies have inflicted some deep deep scars on people affecting their lives and aspirations.

Why rely on WW to spread the word after your private conversation? Why don't you just put us all out our misery here and tell us how it really is rather than trying to scare people from expressing an opinion? If you want to engage in the forum then why not do it properly, but be careful.... A lot of people are watching and we all know how unpredictable anonymous forums can be.

This says more about BA than anything else on the whole thread!!
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 22:18
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Instead of just dismissing what WW is saying as bitter inflamed rubbish, which some of it is, some questions do need answering. Are the promotion prospects better than he suggests, have the new starter pay scales and pension been degraded by the present work force in an attempt to keep their own standing and is the workforce still fragmented? These are points which should seriously affect a decision whether or not to join a major carrier at the bottom of a seemingly endless seniority list.

An open question from a bystander.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 22:26
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Wiggy, .........what do you predict for someone joining BA now? (With the caveat it is just your informed opinion - and the same request to any of the other BA employees who contribute). 10 years as an FO on A320, no life style, 20 years+ to command and none of the perks of yesteryear? Strong potential to be sidelined into a franchise/ separate AOC/ regionalised? I'm afraid I don't back this company as the golden egg it once was - it's a fine career, not a great career.
Yes, something like that, though I'd guess at more than 10 years as an FO on the 320 at LHR.

There are certainly heavy hints that Shorthaul must do better ....or else ( and since IAG call the shots I guess you can work out what some people are worried about).

Lifestyle - we're in the middle of a major shake up of our scheduling agreement - what we will end up with is anyone's guess but I'm sure it will still be called "Bidline"...

As for perks, well frankly the profit share this year was regarded as being p. poor...

I certainly know one or two of my short haul colleagues who moved to BA from a Major LoCo are now wondering if they did the right thing. That said I'm sure LC will never be short of applicants.


( who as a line pilot is struggling to see how/why somebody brought Masons into the debate, maybe that's a Waterside thing )

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 22:41
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I can't help but wondering is that can of worms well and truly open with regards to the ongoing recruitment campaign faltering or not only time will tell. As for an invitation to have a private conversation with Lindsay i think i'm old enough and wise enough to realise that it would be like a visit to the headmasters office for a quiet chat. I never use to hear about pilots leaving to go and join Emirates and other airlines well that is indeed the case this last year or so. Rightfully so as expressed by previous posters questions need to have answers why such a mess has come about cancelled flights force draft i can tell you all one simple answer cutbacks cutbacks cutbacks. Never before has it been more evident from cabin crew to ground staff to engineering that cost cutting has it's negative side such as waiting 20 minutes for a TRM to become available to operate the jetty pathetic response especially at the so called hub. I could write till the cows come home about the mismanagement within BA so plain to see everyday instigated by someone we all love exiled in Madrid.

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 23:18
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WW

instigated by someone we all love exiled in Madrid.
Ho ho, and you love him more than most, don't you WW?
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Old 24th Jul 2014, 01:15
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Worth considering those that joined the company 6 months ago are now 15-20% off the bottom of the 320 LHR list, and well into trip line territory.

Whoever can predict the seniority levels of LH p2 needs or even time to command in the next decade or so has a better crystal ball than I do, though that said, more LH hulls are coming. Staying LoCo means LH wouldn't be an option anyway right enough.

All in all, I've worked in places where moral is much worse, and general day to day work for me as a junior FO is quite pleasant.
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