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Have around 300 pilots left RYR lately?

Old 3rd Apr 2014, 08:16
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This thread is going absolutely off topic, and to be honest I find the free use of the phrase "cash strapped Irish Government" insulting. This is totally off topic!!!! This is an aviation based site, lets keep it that way Polax 52!!
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 10:24
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Speed alive rotate.... I don't think it is off topic at all. In my opinion, and this site is mostly about opinions, the fact that the Irish government is cash strapped effects the way Ryanair is regulated.

In the US, due to safety issues, we have gone to 1500 hours as a minimum experience to occupy either seat. This change had to be made as Airlines abused the privelage of being able to select a number of less experienced guys. It is clear that the European low cost Airlines and especially Ryanair are also abusing the system. Now that they may be short of Pilots it appears they may be willing to allow large numbers of absolutely inexperienced guys, I'm my view, to a point where safety is not assured.

The regulator and the Irish government will not stop them due to economic reasons.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 10:42
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As stated by Hanger 6, the IAA is completely separate from the Government and is totally self funded. And to be honest the IAA is one of the more professional Aviation Authorities in Europe. Plenty of information on their website if you require it!!!!


I think you should look more at the ridiculously poor pay you American regional guys are on for your flaws in safety. A huge amount of your regional guys must undertake a second job hence are exhausted whilst in the cockpit. I believe tiredness in this instance has more to do with lack of safety rather than less hours.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 11:03
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Could not agree with you more about the American regionals. I presume you would like to see Ryanair with the same poorly paid Pilot situation and add that to an extremely low experience factor.

If you are saying that the irish economic situation has no effect on the way Ryanair is regulated then I think you are kidding yourself. No true regulator would allow 1300 zero hour Pilots over a 3 year period in to an Airline the size of Ryanair, simply because it is lunacy.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 12:23
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Let's say there were 2 guys; one with 1000 hours air taxi and the other straight out of flight school. I would give them both an assessment and I think I honestly wouldn't know which guy would have more experience.

I think ability counts much more than hours. I have seen some guys who has "thousands of hours" and yet can't fly a SE ILS within limits.

Rather than judge on the amount of hours they have, just put them in the sim and see what happens.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 12:42
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OK, Pilotho.... When you fly into a headwind what speed do you fly at in order to maintain best fuel consumption as compared to still air? Why?

JS....The mafia represents 7% of the Italian economy do you believe that it has no influence over the Italian government?
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 13:08
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Polax, I honestly can't remember the answer to that from the groundschool days but rest assure I'm not being arrogant in saying I would fly the ECON speed with the relevant cost index. If I did have a dual FMC failure then I would fly whatever speed the aircraft was doing before the FMC packed up then declare unable RNAV and head out of RVSM.

However, if I were to recruit guys then I would be assessing whether the guys have good airmanship and CRM when dealing with a situation on board. Ultimately the guy who has 1000 PIC hours may be more suited to flying single pilot rather than a multi pilot environment. At the end of the day, as I said, put them in the sim and see what happens.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 14:07
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If you work out the why to that question then you will understand why in all probability the 1000 hour guy is better than the 250 hour guy.

Incidentally, pilotho, are you a cadet who went to CTC?
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 14:22
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Guys/Girls,

Just a polite 'heads up' here...

When it comes to voicing your (perfectly legitimate) opinions on here regarding Ryanair, and their relationship with the IAA, please always start your sentence with "in my own humble opinion" or words to that effect... I know several good people who have been threatened with legal action by Ryanair for libel/slander, and forced to make a significant charitable donation as (completely unjustified) recompense, so as to avoid said court case.

It's a litigious world out there... You have been warned!


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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 14:23
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I'll look it up. No, I didn't go to CTC
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 16:27
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And to be honest the IAA is one of the more professional Aviation Authorities in Europe



That was funny!

I think ability counts much more than hours. I have seen some guys who has "thousands of hours" and yet can't fly a SE ILS within limits.
The problem of course is that both ability AND experience are required. No one is advocating hiring people with experience but no ability.

The guy that has "thousands of hours" and cannot fly an ILS must have been even worse when he had 200 hours.

The guy that is "brilliant" with 200 hours will be even better when he can back it all up with some experience.

Regardless of ability flying teaches most of us some important lessons early on. It is best that those lessons are not learnt with 200 souls on board and that is the FAA interpretation.

Anyone saying otherwise is trying to sell you something, either their own inexperience or their training/hiring (cost cutting) system.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 16:37
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"200 souls on board"

I haven't heard that expression for a long time now. I even feel quite nostalgic.

The world went over to POB (Persons on Board) from SOB (Souls on Board) donkey's years ago. I believe it had a lot to do with the fact that a certain influential religious grouping in the world objected to the use of the word "souls" since they didn't have any (or something like that).

No doubt someone will illuminate us in due course.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 16:40
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Thought it was down to the heated unsolved debate on seeing eye dogs, and indeed all dogs, either having souls or not.
After all the deadlock on the issue they switched to Persons on Board.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 19:12
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The guy that has "thousands of hours" and cannot fly an ILS must have been even worse when he had 200 hours.
No necessarily. He might have been putting in more effort in those days but is becoming complacent as his hours tick over or his company SOPs discourage hand flying to the extent that his handling skills have simply decayed over time.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 20:50
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his company SOPs discourage hand flying to the extent that his handling skills have simply decayed over time.
Then again, it's not like you could practise flying with rudder input during normal line flight.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 22:22
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It is not only about being able to fly a raw data ils flawlessly but also to be realiable and competent if something more serious happens. No real shortcuts getting there but instead involves a long term process on the job including transfer of knowledge flowing from experience to the ones not having any experience. In cases where you have one third of all pilots under 1000 hours it cannot be a good thing irregardless of how great the guys fly in the simulator.
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 00:50
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1300 pilots or 2000 pilots it matters not. Ryanair are operating within current EASA regulations. They are legal they are compliant so nothing for the regulator to act on ! ..move along nothing to see here.
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 01:06
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There are many overlapping regulations you can claim, e.g. one of the EU OPS requirements for issuing an AOC is:

An AOC will be varied, suspended or revoked if the Authority is no longer satisfied that the operator can maintain safe operations.

Not that they would, just sayin'.. it may bear relevence to the experience level.
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 06:56
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 08:17
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This thread seems to have slightly "jinked" in course.....

We have to be fair and say that for all the RYR faults, the company does train it's pilots very, very well, and although people are saying there are a number of incidents, I genuinely don't believe that this is in excess of the industry norm. - it maybe gets highlighted in the press more than another airline would be presented by comparison, simply because of the way RYR normally court publicity in any shape or form within the same media. The problem with RYR isn't with the skill-set of it's pilot workforce, the problem lies with how RYR treats it's pilot (and cabin for that matter) workforce....it teats them with very little, to nil, respect and is always seeking to find new ways to "conquer and divide", in order to maintain terms and conditions at a level it deems suitable to allow continued profits at a pre-determined level.

Getting back on thread, I've heard the rumours that this summer will be a very interesting one for RYR, and on face value, it does seem that many more pilots this year are leaving for pastures of a differing shade of green, and I do know that there are FlyDubai aircraft coming this summer, whether that is wet lease or not, couldn't say....
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