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Polax52 can I ask what experience of flying in Europe do you have?? And what is your experience in general??? Not only are your Ryanair comments bordering on slander but also your constant Irish/ Irish Government slander I am finding extremely inappropriate and insulting!!
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Does Germany have shell companies that employ contractors in Ireland but who pay tax in Germany?
Then I thought about it a bit more. Aren't these "shell companies" you mention incorporated in the UK, thus making your entire point about Ireland moot?
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Maybe Calypso you should also take a look at the chart and facts posted by FreudianSlippers as you found my comments on the IAA so funny.
Its clear here the guys who have gone to the trouble of finding the relevant information and facts and then the guys who are talking out their ****!!!
Its clear here the guys who have gone to the trouble of finding the relevant information and facts and then the guys who are talking out their ****!!!
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Let me just add that the fact I have to fear Libel action by Ryanair, as an American citizen, for expressing an opinion, an accurate opinion at that, I find shocking.
The addition of 1300 zero hour Pilots over 3 year is a serious safety hazard, in my view. Whatever the propaganda might say. As previously stated I have flown with cadets I do know that a minority are safe and indeed very good. The majority vary from poor to unsafe, at 250 to 1500 hours. Above 1500 hours the vast majority are totally safe.
The addition of 1300 zero hour Pilots over 3 year is a serious safety hazard, in my view. Whatever the propaganda might say. As previously stated I have flown with cadets I do know that a minority are safe and indeed very good. The majority vary from poor to unsafe, at 250 to 1500 hours. Above 1500 hours the vast majority are totally safe.
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US laws don't rule the world. You have gone online to publish your "opinions" to the world at large without the realisation that simply saying it is opinion is not a defence to a case in defamation in Ireland or the UK. It needs to have a factual backing.
The fact that Ryanair was granted orders by US courts disclosing the identities of PPRuNe posters not all to long ago tells me you're taking unnecessary risks to malign a company that has little to do with you all the way in Asia.
Let me tell you, that even in the US, there are exceptions to free speech - and one of those is libel. Where you, due to your agenda, post false information in light of clear evidence to the contrary, you can be sued successfully. There is no freedom to malign another individual or company with falsities.
Courts are not so stupid to see through the "opinion" defence when it's invalid. You may have opinions about crew experience, but you cannot say that a company is acting unlawfully when they are not and that there are improper ties between the airline and the regulator when there are not.
Either you have an agenda or you're trolling, but either way it's annoying.
The fact that Ryanair was granted orders by US courts disclosing the identities of PPRuNe posters not all to long ago tells me you're taking unnecessary risks to malign a company that has little to do with you all the way in Asia.
Let me tell you, that even in the US, there are exceptions to free speech - and one of those is libel. Where you, due to your agenda, post false information in light of clear evidence to the contrary, you can be sued successfully. There is no freedom to malign another individual or company with falsities.
Courts are not so stupid to see through the "opinion" defence when it's invalid. You may have opinions about crew experience, but you cannot say that a company is acting unlawfully when they are not and that there are improper ties between the airline and the regulator when there are not.
Either you have an agenda or you're trolling, but either way it's annoying.
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Freudianslippers... I am expressing opinion on the basis of experience.
How did I malign Ryanair with my recent posts?
It is my view that 1300 zero hour Pilots into a company the size of Ryanair is unsafe.
Did I say that Ryanair acted unlawfully?
I thought I said that they operate between the lines of European Law, within that gray area, but outside the spirit of the law.
I am not trolling and I don't have any agenda other than to see safe operation of aircraft.
If it's annoying then log off and don't come back.
In my opinion RyR has the economic strength to manipulate the Irish regulator, and PROBABLY uses it.
How did I malign Ryanair with my recent posts?
It is my view that 1300 zero hour Pilots into a company the size of Ryanair is unsafe.
Did I say that Ryanair acted unlawfully?
I thought I said that they operate between the lines of European Law, within that gray area, but outside the spirit of the law.
I am not trolling and I don't have any agenda other than to see safe operation of aircraft.
If it's annoying then log off and don't come back.
In my opinion RyR has the economic strength to manipulate the Irish regulator, and PROBABLY uses it.
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JS... your allegation that I made an allegation about financial inducements is totally false. Anyway, wait and see. Ryanair lawyers are looking very closely at my posts and if they find anything which they can make a case on then you will know it.
As you know, because you have read my previous posts, my concerns regard safety and the improvement of this career.
Yeoman.... In what sense is what I said ....(expletive)?
I will delete that post though, I was wrong to reopen old wounds...
As you know, because you have read my previous posts, my concerns regard safety and the improvement of this career.
Yeoman.... In what sense is what I said ....(expletive)?
I will delete that post though, I was wrong to reopen old wounds...
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I have disagreed with much of Polax's comments, but when it comes to the IAA, I too lack confidence in them. They're very efficient with paperwork, when they chose to be (5 months to convert a licence isn't efficient, though), but regulation of the industry needs to be more than rubber stamping paper.
However, if they are such stringent regulators of safety, one has to wonder why so many other EU airlines have swapped from their domestic register to the IAA - Norwegian and several Italian companies spring to mind, and I think I saw some Baltic operators with Irish registrations too. The airlines won't have done that to face increased oversight and regulation...
And while the IAA may be self-funding, it is part regulated by the DOT, which is an Irish government authority. Whether is be by reducing the IAA burden on the DOT or paying funds directly tot he Irish government, the Irish government is benefiting financially from other nations' airlines transferring registries, and it all smacks of a flag of convenience. Shipping companies did not switch to Panamanian flags for safety benefits.
However, if they are such stringent regulators of safety, one has to wonder why so many other EU airlines have swapped from their domestic register to the IAA - Norwegian and several Italian companies spring to mind, and I think I saw some Baltic operators with Irish registrations too. The airlines won't have done that to face increased oversight and regulation...
And while the IAA may be self-funding, it is part regulated by the DOT, which is an Irish government authority. Whether is be by reducing the IAA burden on the DOT or paying funds directly tot he Irish government, the Irish government is benefiting financially from other nations' airlines transferring registries, and it all smacks of a flag of convenience. Shipping companies did not switch to Panamanian flags for safety benefits.
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It flies in the face of the official accident report for starters. It also flies in the face of my personal knowledge of the gentleman concerned.
It's not an old wound, it is an accident that lessons can be learnt from providing we draw the correct conclusions rather than seeking to introduce factors to make a point. IMVHO, your post did the latter.
Seeing as the incident has been raised, I think it helps make a different point that i would agree with you on and that is that some national authorities could also benefit from the learning experience offered by an accident rather than rushing to defend their own undefendable position.
Back to the thread in question, virtually all our recruits in the last two years have come from RYR and all have been top blokes both professionally and as people. They all also seem to think all their Christmases have come early!
We have also taken a few from CTC and most have been top blokes and blokesses too. I had the pleasure of being involved in a lot of the training for both groups and one from CTC in particular blew my mind. I flew a long and difficult day with them and I had to close my mouth with my hand at the end of it, an exceptional performance for any young FO, never mind a 200 hour one just three weeks after Final Line Check.
It flies in the face of the official accident report for starters. It also flies in the face of my personal knowledge of the gentleman concerned.
It's not an old wound, it is an accident that lessons can be learnt from providing we draw the correct conclusions rather than seeking to introduce factors to make a point. IMVHO, your post did the latter.
Seeing as the incident has been raised, I think it helps make a different point that i would agree with you on and that is that some national authorities could also benefit from the learning experience offered by an accident rather than rushing to defend their own undefendable position.
Back to the thread in question, virtually all our recruits in the last two years have come from RYR and all have been top blokes both professionally and as people. They all also seem to think all their Christmases have come early!
We have also taken a few from CTC and most have been top blokes and blokesses too. I had the pleasure of being involved in a lot of the training for both groups and one from CTC in particular blew my mind. I flew a long and difficult day with them and I had to close my mouth with my hand at the end of it, an exceptional performance for any young FO, never mind a 200 hour one just three weeks after Final Line Check.
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As for the 250 hour guy as I have said previously, I have significant recent experience with cadets in Asia. Some are very good, most need more time. Time which should not be obtained with paying passengers on board.
The guys coming out of Ryanair have that experience. Most of those going in are a gamble. I have beaten this to death. Anyway 1300 zero jet hour cadets is unsafe. I say this not because of any statistics which I have to hand but because of experience.
When people talk about good guys, I know what you mean, but it does not necessarily mean safe Pilot when a situation arises which requires experience.
The guys coming out of Ryanair have that experience. Most of those going in are a gamble. I have beaten this to death. Anyway 1300 zero jet hour cadets is unsafe. I say this not because of any statistics which I have to hand but because of experience.
When people talk about good guys, I know what you mean, but it does not necessarily mean safe Pilot when a situation arises which requires experience.
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How can an "opinion" be refutable?
May I ask your credentials? Your location and robust defence of the IAA and / or the business practices of RYR instil in me a feeling of the lady dost protest too much.
As an aside, if the IAA is such a strong defender of standards in aviation, why is the Republic fast becoming the aviation equivalent of shipping's Panama when it comes to registration? Genuine question if we consider the case of multinational pilots operating from a Thai base on EI registered aircraft for a company based in Norway for example? Exactly how big are Norwegian's offices in Dublin and how many are employed there?
If you cut through the routine Pprune mud slinging, I'm genuinely interested as to how the above arrangement can be effectively regulated.
How can an "opinion" be refutable?
May I ask your credentials? Your location and robust defence of the IAA and / or the business practices of RYR instil in me a feeling of the lady dost protest too much.
As an aside, if the IAA is such a strong defender of standards in aviation, why is the Republic fast becoming the aviation equivalent of shipping's Panama when it comes to registration? Genuine question if we consider the case of multinational pilots operating from a Thai base on EI registered aircraft for a company based in Norway for example? Exactly how big are Norwegian's offices in Dublin and how many are employed there?
If you cut through the routine Pprune mud slinging, I'm genuinely interested as to how the above arrangement can be effectively regulated.
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I'm saying it isn't in fact opinion. It's refutable facts under the guise of opinion. Genuine opinion is just that, if you're wrong and there is evidence to show you are wrong, then it's ignorance I suppose.
I have no problem showing my bona fides - I'm SLF, keen interest in aviation. I'm from Dublin but work from London for a rather large technology company. I'm a lawyer in that company and I do Media litigation for them - I came here when I heard all the news about subpoenas, etc. back in 2012 and have been lurking ever since!
I don't frequently fly Ryanair; I prefer to fly with EI or CityJet.
My defence isn't meant to be robust. I'm not even sure it's meant to be a defence of the IAA. When one sees allegations of improper regulation or relationship between an airline and the regulator for example, one does bit of research. Like seriously ONE Google search and I found the ICAO document. Now, if we're going to suggest that ICAO is also in on the game, that's one conspiracy too far for me.
Choice of registration in Ireland is IMHO not due to lax oversight, but more to do with tax implications.
I have no problem showing my bona fides - I'm SLF, keen interest in aviation. I'm from Dublin but work from London for a rather large technology company. I'm a lawyer in that company and I do Media litigation for them - I came here when I heard all the news about subpoenas, etc. back in 2012 and have been lurking ever since!
I don't frequently fly Ryanair; I prefer to fly with EI or CityJet.
My defence isn't meant to be robust. I'm not even sure it's meant to be a defence of the IAA. When one sees allegations of improper regulation or relationship between an airline and the regulator for example, one does bit of research. Like seriously ONE Google search and I found the ICAO document. Now, if we're going to suggest that ICAO is also in on the game, that's one conspiracy too far for me.
Choice of registration in Ireland is IMHO not due to lax oversight, but more to do with tax implications.
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Most of those points you have stated about my views, I stand by. I disagree with you that there is no such thing as the spirit of the law. They chose which law they are going to comply with whether it be Irish law or EU, and they find gray areas in between. They have been found guilty of breaking the law in France, as a result they used their financial clout to take punitive measures against France.
They threatened to move bases out of the UK if Pilots voted for unionization. Something which a legal right in the UK.
They have throughout their history openly used threat and manipulation to strengthen their bargaining positions, they take pride in it.
I am lost when you talk of unsupported claims, most Claims I have made are well known.
This site is a lot about opinion. It is my opinion that any regulator which allows an Airline under it's supervision to employ 1300 Pilots, who have absolutely zero experience(flight school only),is incompetent. I truly find it difficult to see any reasonable unbiased argument against that statement.
They threatened to move bases out of the UK if Pilots voted for unionization. Something which a legal right in the UK.
They have throughout their history openly used threat and manipulation to strengthen their bargaining positions, they take pride in it.
I am lost when you talk of unsupported claims, most Claims I have made are well known.
This site is a lot about opinion. It is my opinion that any regulator which allows an Airline under it's supervision to employ 1300 Pilots, who have absolutely zero experience(flight school only),is incompetent. I truly find it difficult to see any reasonable unbiased argument against that statement.
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Thank you. That makes your posts or more specifically your viewpoint here more easy to understand.
The question remains for any others to answer, given that the attraction of EI registration may well be purely financial, can the arrangement I alluded to above be effectively regulated? Open question.
As for ICAO, it is an executive function of the UN. No conspiracy is needed, the facts are there for all to see and have been since about 1950. The idea behind the UN is great on paper.....
The question remains for any others to answer, given that the attraction of EI registration may well be purely financial, can the arrangement I alluded to above be effectively regulated? Open question.
As for ICAO, it is an executive function of the UN. No conspiracy is needed, the facts are there for all to see and have been since about 1950. The idea behind the UN is great on paper.....
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If people need to prove everything there are different limits to that as well and no one would be able to say anything interesting as to prove things getting involved in advanced science which i wouldnīt be able to do and more or less turn this into something completely different. It is a rumour network after all much more fun that way.
Since Enronīs AAA rating earlier from one of the credit rating agencies i tend take audits and reports with a pinch of salt since you need to look for specific things in order to find them.
Never thought i would be quoting Donald Rumsfeld also but here it goes, he put it brilliantly eariler.
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
For example in an audit as you cannot look for everything. All audits by the way.
I am going to bite on that as there is surely some difficulties for the regulators that rely on income from their customers and the same time need to regulate them. Especially countries with fewer airlines based there as they are naturally more dependent on each airline for parts of their revenue.
I looked through the annual report of the IAA also and what struck me was the focus on economics in contrast to the UK CAA report. The legal framework in Ireland for corporations considering Google, Apple and many more all gather there as well as Norwegian lately must be good. A corporate minded regulator perhaps and favorable tax and social charges make it worthwhile relocating there.
Since Enronīs AAA rating earlier from one of the credit rating agencies i tend take audits and reports with a pinch of salt since you need to look for specific things in order to find them.
Never thought i would be quoting Donald Rumsfeld also but here it goes, he put it brilliantly eariler.
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
For example in an audit as you cannot look for everything. All audits by the way.
The question remains for any others to answer, given that the attraction of EI registration may well be purely financial, can the arrangement I alluded to above be effectively regulated? Open question.
I looked through the annual report of the IAA also and what struck me was the focus on economics in contrast to the UK CAA report. The legal framework in Ireland for corporations considering Google, Apple and many more all gather there as well as Norwegian lately must be good. A corporate minded regulator perhaps and favorable tax and social charges make it worthwhile relocating there.
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I looked through the annual report of the IAA also and what struck me was the focus on economics
Might explain why the cost of an IAA ATPL is 100's% more than UK or NL. The same goes for TRI & TRE revalidation's. They charge extortionate amounts. When challenged on this the IAA said they were tasked with being financially self sustaining, and that it was normal for airlines to pay these costs not the individual pilot. Extraordinary!
Might explain why the cost of an IAA ATPL is 100's% more than UK or NL. The same goes for TRI & TRE revalidation's. They charge extortionate amounts. When challenged on this the IAA said they were tasked with being financially self sustaining, and that it was normal for airlines to pay these costs not the individual pilot. Extraordinary!