Ryanair threatens it's pilots, again.
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ok, here is my 2c!
you guys who critisize the ryr pilots keep in mind that it's easy to join a union if it's already established. It's a wole different deal to start one from scratch!
I feel sympathy with the ryr pilots. I am sure most of you would like more transparant contracts and over all better relations but unfortunally you won't get it without a challange.
There are huge benefits associated with being organised and represented, and I'm not talking of industrial actions or threatening your management but just like it's hard to get a politician to listen it's hard to get a management to understand just how important some things are for you.
but fundamentally you don't need BALPA or whoever, you just need to represent yourself, as long as you do it together. it is much to easy to ignore x hundred/ thousand pilots but if you can put reasonable goals and suggestions on a piece of paper and say 90% of the pilots are fully behind this you will have result. lower middle manager might not agree to it but as long as it's sensible upper management knows that there is nothing to gain by ignoring thier employees.
Regarding the fees. Don't worry about them they are worth every penny if only for the legal protection involved. If you were a builder, doctor or whatever you would want liability insurance. for me that's why I pay my fees anything else is a plus
Wee what a rant that turned out to be! Sorry guys but I hope you can pull together. Just don't expect anyone to do it for you but you will have support
over and out!
you guys who critisize the ryr pilots keep in mind that it's easy to join a union if it's already established. It's a wole different deal to start one from scratch!
I feel sympathy with the ryr pilots. I am sure most of you would like more transparant contracts and over all better relations but unfortunally you won't get it without a challange.
There are huge benefits associated with being organised and represented, and I'm not talking of industrial actions or threatening your management but just like it's hard to get a politician to listen it's hard to get a management to understand just how important some things are for you.
but fundamentally you don't need BALPA or whoever, you just need to represent yourself, as long as you do it together. it is much to easy to ignore x hundred/ thousand pilots but if you can put reasonable goals and suggestions on a piece of paper and say 90% of the pilots are fully behind this you will have result. lower middle manager might not agree to it but as long as it's sensible upper management knows that there is nothing to gain by ignoring thier employees.
Regarding the fees. Don't worry about them they are worth every penny if only for the legal protection involved. If you were a builder, doctor or whatever you would want liability insurance. for me that's why I pay my fees anything else is a plus
Wee what a rant that turned out to be! Sorry guys but I hope you can pull together. Just don't expect anyone to do it for you but you will have support
over and out!
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I wonder what happened to Leo hairy Camel's post, referred to by, kick the tires? Deemed unfit for publication, I suspect.
But then again, all LHCs ranting, inflammatory, anti-union posts are a waste of space on these fora.
But then again, all LHCs ranting, inflammatory, anti-union posts are a waste of space on these fora.
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Anyone who think that O’Leary will out of the goodness of his heart not keep chipping away on the T&C at FR, must be delusional…
In the short term there will be a price, but nothing good is ever free… especially not at FR, all FR drivers should know that, if you don’t you are delusional…
In the short term there will be a price, but nothing good is ever free… especially not at FR, all FR drivers should know that, if you don’t you are delusional…
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It took me three years as a very active company council member in a large regional airline to finally realise that Balpa was a total waste of time and money.
It neither has the money nor the resources, nor the will to make any difference. And the bottom line is that unless you get the huge majority (By that I mean in excess of 80 percent) of colleagues to join AND actively support you then you are dead in the water anyway....a paper tiger.
Getting RA would be a headline grabbing coup but I can assure anyone thinking that it would make a difference....(apart from increasing Balpas revenue)......that it would not.
Look what happened with the BA Open Skies Fiasco...........Loads of hot air and self righteous table bashing. But when it came to it they had not got the money to fight the Leprechaun.
O Leary would bankrupt them at the first opportunity of a decent confrontation or they'd just scurry away saying how unfair he was........
Leave well alone.
It neither has the money nor the resources, nor the will to make any difference. And the bottom line is that unless you get the huge majority (By that I mean in excess of 80 percent) of colleagues to join AND actively support you then you are dead in the water anyway....a paper tiger.
Getting RA would be a headline grabbing coup but I can assure anyone thinking that it would make a difference....(apart from increasing Balpas revenue)......that it would not.
Look what happened with the BA Open Skies Fiasco...........Loads of hot air and self righteous table bashing. But when it came to it they had not got the money to fight the Leprechaun.
O Leary would bankrupt them at the first opportunity of a decent confrontation or they'd just scurry away saying how unfair he was........
Leave well alone.
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Sheikh Zabik let me see if I understand your argument, so perhaps you could confirm that you are saying the following:
Your were a member of a CC which failed in some way - and for which you blame BALPA (but not the pilots concerned or the CC).
You seem to feel that "getting RA" would be a "coup" and imply that this is BALPA's real motivation (and not the Ryanair BALPA members who have demanded action).
You introduce a specific BA issue and conclude that BALPA are not up to the fight with Ryanair.
Despite BALPA and IALPA successfully defending themselves and inflicting considerable damage on Ryanair in a High Court case you believe that Ryanair can easily see them off in court.
Then you conclude
I interpret this to mean that Ryanair pilots should shut up and be quiet and do nothing to protect and promote their interests. What interesting advice (and even more interesting justification)!
If I am wrong in my interpretation of your post, perhaps you would be good enough to clarify exactly what you think Ryanair pilots should do, (if giving up is not what you are suggesting)?
Your were a member of a CC which failed in some way - and for which you blame BALPA (but not the pilots concerned or the CC).
You seem to feel that "getting RA" would be a "coup" and imply that this is BALPA's real motivation (and not the Ryanair BALPA members who have demanded action).
You introduce a specific BA issue and conclude that BALPA are not up to the fight with Ryanair.
Despite BALPA and IALPA successfully defending themselves and inflicting considerable damage on Ryanair in a High Court case you believe that Ryanair can easily see them off in court.
Then you conclude
Leave well alone.
If I am wrong in my interpretation of your post, perhaps you would be good enough to clarify exactly what you think Ryanair pilots should do, (if giving up is not what you are suggesting)?
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Ryanair can threaten you all they want... they need to upgrade FOs to Captains to keep the new planes flying.. they need trainers etc... they need the 5/4vroster with the way the have set up schedules with respect to duty limitations... you guys have to stand up for yourselves on this one... its your career draw the line somewhere.
I'm sorry, but as SLF/PPL with 1100 hours, you have to realise that you are all replaceable. Not immediately but within a measurable time span. Ryanair is not perfect, but it is a good business model. If you want to be a bus/train/tube driver, be one. But don't look down on them. The ivory tower is starting to lean a bit.
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I think I see why LHC's first post was deleted now. I am guessing it won't be long before the reference to Nazism goes the same way. Just what is it suppose to mean, anyone?
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Any FO's sitting on the fence or any skipper out their should point the FO's in the right direction. I'm an FO and as far I understand, if on a RYR contract I will be taking a 10% pay cut plus various other agreements for my CU training then to move base I will be slapped with another 10% pay cut for the pleasure of moving? so in total thats a 20% pay cut on top of the losses we've already suffered in the new agreement...
Any FO's out their would be mad not to sign up for recognition, we have nothing to loose and much to gain.
Any FO's out their would be mad not to sign up for recognition, we have nothing to loose and much to gain.
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To any peasant that is not prepared to pay a few hundred pounds a year in union subs, in my opinion you forfeit any right to have a say. If you are not prepared to do your bit then you might as well give it all back to Ryanair.
This is aimed primarily at you zerotohero.
The amount of times I hear the same whine from persons' like yourself is unacceptable considering the latest round of bullying from EW PB DOB.
You are either in or one of "them".
This is aimed primarily at you zerotohero.
The amount of times I hear the same whine from persons' like yourself is unacceptable considering the latest round of bullying from EW PB DOB.
You are either in or one of "them".
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wake up and smell the coffee
Well, Leo Hairy arse or whatever your name is I'd be interested to hear how you feel not having a union has helped Ryanair management shaft the pilots of the airline yet again with more pay cuts!
I find it incredible after this latest round of shafting that there are any idiots left in Ryanair who seriously think the company would be able to do this to you if you had proper union recognition. Surely now you will show some balls and stand up for your rights at last??
Pay your subs, sign up and start fighting back against the bullyboy management.
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I find it incredible after this latest round of shafting that there are any idiots left in Ryanair who seriously think the company would be able to do this to you if you had proper union recognition. Surely now you will show some balls and stand up for your rights at last??
Pay your subs, sign up and start fighting back against the bullyboy management.
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it's not going to happen because not enough people care. i'll admit i'm one of them. i live an easy life, 5/4, take home a very healthy amount and don't get troubled by management because i don't trouble them. i even get a whole month off each year now - and because i'm ryr contract i get paid through that month.
talking to my mates at other companies, i feel i live an extremely comfortable life. that feeling is even stronger when i speak to those who were at excel, now working at asda who have lost their houses.
have i missed something? do all my colleagues really hate the company?
talking to my mates at other companies, i feel i live an extremely comfortable life. that feeling is even stronger when i speak to those who were at excel, now working at asda who have lost their houses.
have i missed something? do all my colleagues really hate the company?