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If everyone is on a different contracts and you and Grim have been actively moaning, I won't say fighting the good cause, for 10 years, surely the failure to achieve any measure of uniformity of contract or negotiating success lies with you. You were in the company, the rest of us were outside and came to this much later.
Notwithstanding that, you are content to blame everyone but yourselves for the mess you find yourselves in: hardly unifying.
If everyone is on a different contracts and you and Grim have been actively moaning, I won't say fighting the good cause, for 10 years, surely the failure to achieve any measure of uniformity of contract or negotiating success lies with you. You were in the company, the rest of us were outside and came to this much later.
Notwithstanding that, you are content to blame everyone but yourselves for the mess you find yourselves in: hardly unifying.
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come on cock,you can do better than that.back to the old scargill days hey!!!
his opponent is not looking so hot these days,alzheimers,i believe.then i suppose that you would know that even mothers choose to forget who their offspring are,maybe purposedly.boo bloody hoo!!!
his opponent is not looking so hot these days,alzheimers,i believe.then i suppose that you would know that even mothers choose to forget who their offspring are,maybe purposedly.boo bloody hoo!!!
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maybe now you know how the miners were treated?as far as i am concerned,scargill was and is head and shoulders above the likes of you and slim whitman there.if you cannot take it,let maggie post it!!!
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I refer the learned (
) gentlemen to post 317.
Still nothing new to say, the cats are still trying to scratch each others eyes out & grim is still in denial over the existence of capital letters
As slim said, you cannot comment on others contracts as you never really know what will have been added / deleted / changed from person to person.
Suffice to say that it is a fairly unsatisfactory state of affairs that a contractor has more rights to work a certain amount if there is a shortfall of flights ,than a full time employee, but that is hardly the individuals fault.
At the end of the day without effective collective representation it is just another item in the long list.
I repeat again in simple terms, many things are wrong, I don't think we can deny that, but in the current "situation" with the current "workforce" what to do. The present state of affairs where we come on here and waste time abusing each other must be of great comfort to those tasked with reducing conditions further. Collectively, great job guys
) gentlemen to post 317. Still nothing new to say, the cats are still trying to scratch each others eyes out & grim is still in denial over the existence of capital letters
As slim said, you cannot comment on others contracts as you never really know what will have been added / deleted / changed from person to person.
Suffice to say that it is a fairly unsatisfactory state of affairs that a contractor has more rights to work a certain amount if there is a shortfall of flights ,than a full time employee, but that is hardly the individuals fault.
At the end of the day without effective collective representation it is just another item in the long list.
I repeat again in simple terms, many things are wrong, I don't think we can deny that, but in the current "situation" with the current "workforce" what to do. The present state of affairs where we come on here and waste time abusing each other must be of great comfort to those tasked with reducing conditions further. Collectively, great job guys
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I fail to understand how the Grim and Camel can blame me, and others, for the status quo.
Firstly, they advocate unionisation, yet for 10 ish years they have been unable to convince the workforce that their system would be an improvement and ignore, or deny, the experience of individuals who have been disappointed with union representation.
Next, they blame others; the late joiners for the change / reduction in the terms and conditions. I don't see how someone who joins at year 5 or year 3 or year x, given that they claim 10 yrs service, can possibly be responsible for a reduction or diminution of T and Cs. If you are in the company, surely it falls to you to protect the existing T & Cs?
In short, we have 2 individuals who probably failed Command Assessment or didn't get the base they wanted.
Either that, or they expect the knight in shining armour to ride over the horizon and tell them " Grim, Camel, you are so right. I will sacrifice myself for your beliefs"
The reality is that Grim and Camel will moan: they will blame will everyone else for their own shortcomings. They will claim that the reduction in Ts and Cs is down to the new joiners but, and please NB the BUT, I have yet to see any acknowledgment that they have singularly failed to achieve their aims.
Finally, cheap shots dont work; they just emphasise your naivety.
Firstly, they advocate unionisation, yet for 10 ish years they have been unable to convince the workforce that their system would be an improvement and ignore, or deny, the experience of individuals who have been disappointed with union representation.
Next, they blame others; the late joiners for the change / reduction in the terms and conditions. I don't see how someone who joins at year 5 or year 3 or year x, given that they claim 10 yrs service, can possibly be responsible for a reduction or diminution of T and Cs. If you are in the company, surely it falls to you to protect the existing T & Cs?
In short, we have 2 individuals who probably failed Command Assessment or didn't get the base they wanted.
Either that, or they expect the knight in shining armour to ride over the horizon and tell them " Grim, Camel, you are so right. I will sacrifice myself for your beliefs"
The reality is that Grim and Camel will moan: they will blame will everyone else for their own shortcomings. They will claim that the reduction in Ts and Cs is down to the new joiners but, and please NB the BUT, I have yet to see any acknowledgment that they have singularly failed to achieve their aims.
Finally, cheap shots dont work; they just emphasise your naivety.
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A much earlier post said something to the effect of, seek other employment in the sun during the winter.....
check out the Air Atlanta Icelandic thread.......
Ryanair's not the only airline doing this .
check out the Air Atlanta Icelandic thread.......
Ryanair's not the only airline doing this .
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yeah yeah slimbo!more conjecture and supposition.that is what i have come to expect from you.i will not even go into your individual points because they are such a load of crap.no knight in shining armour required,we have made huge progress and continue to do so,even for numbnuts like you,even in the presence of your ignorance and cowardice to join with your colleagues and make a difference.
i don't blame you for anything,i pity you and your head in the sand position,because one day the man is going to come for you and then it will become all so apparent.
i don't blame you for anything,i pity you and your head in the sand position,because one day the man is going to come for you and then it will become all so apparent.
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repa's location just about sums him up, hiding behind those that came after him.
Forever blaming your own lack of progress on other, younger/newer joiners reflects the sad lack of effort put in by the so-called 'activists' that repa and camel try to appear to be.
Spending hours, even days in front of the computer, filling pprune with such negative and vituperative whingeing seems such a waste of effort when they might be doing something far more useful to address their collective angst.
Slagging-off endlessly and repetitively those who appear to be 'realistic' seems to be the only area of accomplishment in their miserable and misguided existences, so far.
Perhaps you might do as was suggested some months ago. Go and see the man and tell him exactly how you think the situation in Ryanair might be improved. The door will be off the hinges because the Irish Gov't have kicked it in whilst enforcing the new working practices/union recognition laws.
Make it your New Years resolution to do something useful for a change.
Forever blaming your own lack of progress on other, younger/newer joiners reflects the sad lack of effort put in by the so-called 'activists' that repa and camel try to appear to be.
Spending hours, even days in front of the computer, filling pprune with such negative and vituperative whingeing seems such a waste of effort when they might be doing something far more useful to address their collective angst.
Slagging-off endlessly and repetitively those who appear to be 'realistic' seems to be the only area of accomplishment in their miserable and misguided existences, so far.
Perhaps you might do as was suggested some months ago. Go and see the man and tell him exactly how you think the situation in Ryanair might be improved. The door will be off the hinges because the Irish Gov't have kicked it in whilst enforcing the new working practices/union recognition laws.
Make it your New Years resolution to do something useful for a change.
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Rubik101 and friends,
I have met grim repa. I can tell you for a fact that no Pilot in Ryanair made more of an effort or put in as much work as GR did. He's one of a group of us who couldn't stomach the treatment of the more vulnerable amongst us, i.e Cadet Pilots, and tried to do something about it. I feel the sense of frustration that he feels that the others are so blaise about it. You may not want to read it, but then no one is forcing you to read it.
I would like to see him discover the use of his Caps Lock key and make an attempt at punctuation and grammar too though, on that we agree......
I have met grim repa. I can tell you for a fact that no Pilot in Ryanair made more of an effort or put in as much work as GR did. He's one of a group of us who couldn't stomach the treatment of the more vulnerable amongst us, i.e Cadet Pilots, and tried to do something about it. I feel the sense of frustration that he feels that the others are so blaise about it. You may not want to read it, but then no one is forcing you to read it.
I would like to see him discover the use of his Caps Lock key and make an attempt at punctuation and grammar too though, on that we agree......
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Vituperative, nice one Rubik, a new word for today.
Carmoisine, I suppose we should be grateful that at least the Cap lock button isn't jammed in CAPITALS even if it sometimes feels like it is.
Carmoisine, I suppose we should be grateful that at least the Cap lock button isn't jammed in CAPITALS even if it sometimes feels like it is.
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Hello Boys and Girls.Rubik101 yakety-yakety-yak.Just somebody elses problem eh?you call it realism.i call it,well that is for later.Happy Christmas to one and all.The fight goes on into another year soon.Viva la REPA Brigada!!!
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If GR has taken the veritable baseball bat up the jacksy fighting someone else's corner, I give him my utmost respect.
Regrettably, I don't have to agree with everything he says nor the stance he takes at the moment nor the rhetoric he employs.
My experiences with unions run 180 degrees out: c'est la vie.
I just wish that he, and the Camel, wouldn't hijack every FR thread with the same old tale.
If GR has taken the veritable baseball bat up the jacksy fighting someone else's corner, I give him my utmost respect.
Regrettably, I don't have to agree with everything he says nor the stance he takes at the moment nor the rhetoric he employs.
My experiences with unions run 180 degrees out: c'est la vie.
I just wish that he, and the Camel, wouldn't hijack every FR thread with the same old tale.
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I know where you are coming from Slim. In a previous ( UK) company BALPA rep = trainee manager for aforesaid company. All " negotiated" deals were sufficiently watered down to please . . . . . ? well who did the rep want to please. Disciplinary matters were a great opportunity for aforesaid rep to help your crucifixion. . . I think you can say that I know where you are coming from. I too, get p1ssed off at the likes of Grim (and even more so CaptKremin/5tarbuck or whoever he is at this moment, preaching from his protected/unionised Lingus pulpit ) trying to push their doctrine down our throats, hell I almost find myself agreeing with Leo, so these guys ain't getting their message across to those who want to believe.
At the end of the day though, a colleague once related a conversation he had with EW ( those of us who need to know, know who that is ) where he was told, "you guys are all feckin stupid, what you need is a union".
I rest my case.
Your employer cannot & will not change it's tune, as someone said of the business plan " a race to the bottom", and our conditions are part of that.
We are a disparate bunch of wobegones, some in debt, some apathetic, some ass-lickers etc etc ETC.
Like em or loathe them I don't think any of us have the negotiating skills of a good union rep, you know why ? we go in there & our sorry ass & our job is on the line, for them it's just another match to be won.
I realise it's all about trust, and frankly BALPA's actions over the last few years have not inspired much of that, however I believe IALPA have seen themselves representing "the few" in Paddy Fungus and would love the opportunity to have involvement ( for their benefit as much as ours I'm not deluding myself here) in the much bigger brother down the road.
At the moment Ryanair terms and conditions are totally at the mercy of market forces and the whims of anyone from MOL , down to anyone with a bright money saving plan in the Monday meeting. That is quite plainly not a good thing. At least with a negotiated deal and a bit of collective involvement we could avoid that abuse.
I think you would agree this will never get better, the forecast pilot shortage has already gone out the window, and even when it seemed imminent what did we achieve on our own behalf aided by our ERC's? the square root of cack all.
I don't expect you to accept unions with open arms Slim, any more than I expect Grim to see the crappy reality of the current situation. What would be a major step though, would be for you all to see that you are in the same mess, and that your disparate views and skills are all valuable to moving forward as market forces allow ( surely Grim even you can see not any sooner, well I admit mustering support can happen any time, so go for it but don't alienate people along the way)
I'm going to stop preaching now, in any case I am preaching to the converted I believe. Now if only you guys could find a way to stop bitching at each other and concentrate on what you collectively could and should achieve realistically, in the fullness of time ,that would be a worthwhile usage of bandwidth & energy.
At the end of the day though, a colleague once related a conversation he had with EW ( those of us who need to know, know who that is ) where he was told, "you guys are all feckin stupid, what you need is a union".
I rest my case.
Your employer cannot & will not change it's tune, as someone said of the business plan " a race to the bottom", and our conditions are part of that.
We are a disparate bunch of wobegones, some in debt, some apathetic, some ass-lickers etc etc ETC.
Like em or loathe them I don't think any of us have the negotiating skills of a good union rep, you know why ? we go in there & our sorry ass & our job is on the line, for them it's just another match to be won.
I realise it's all about trust, and frankly BALPA's actions over the last few years have not inspired much of that, however I believe IALPA have seen themselves representing "the few" in Paddy Fungus and would love the opportunity to have involvement ( for their benefit as much as ours I'm not deluding myself here) in the much bigger brother down the road.
At the moment Ryanair terms and conditions are totally at the mercy of market forces and the whims of anyone from MOL , down to anyone with a bright money saving plan in the Monday meeting. That is quite plainly not a good thing. At least with a negotiated deal and a bit of collective involvement we could avoid that abuse.
I think you would agree this will never get better, the forecast pilot shortage has already gone out the window, and even when it seemed imminent what did we achieve on our own behalf aided by our ERC's? the square root of cack all.
I don't expect you to accept unions with open arms Slim, any more than I expect Grim to see the crappy reality of the current situation. What would be a major step though, would be for you all to see that you are in the same mess, and that your disparate views and skills are all valuable to moving forward as market forces allow ( surely Grim even you can see not any sooner, well I admit mustering support can happen any time, so go for it but don't alienate people along the way)
I'm going to stop preaching now, in any case I am preaching to the converted I believe. Now if only you guys could find a way to stop bitching at each other and concentrate on what you collectively could and should achieve realistically, in the fullness of time ,that would be a worthwhile usage of bandwidth & energy.